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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2007, 01:19:38 AM »
I'm not tying to be a dick Dr. D but your sources are horrible.  After looking for about 3 minutes i found that both of the books you recommended were written by Naturopathic Doctors (fake doctors).  I'm sorry but I personally don't believe a thing you've written in this particular thread.  Dr. Cohen apparently has taken a few courses at an unnamed college in long island and has worked in real estate.  No where on Dr. Ron Schmid's website does it say that he attended ANY college.  Everybody is always looking for a conspiracy but i do not believe MILK is one sorry.  I am not doubting that raw milk has worked for you Dr. D but i'll keep on drinking my regular old milk until you can find a real doctor or real scientific proof of the claims you have made.


http://www.drrons.com/drrons-biography.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathic



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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2007, 05:51:39 AM »
Dr. D, could you please react to copacetic's post, because im very curious to your response...

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2007, 07:10:17 AM »
I'm not tying to be a dick Dr. D but your sources are horrible.  After looking for about 3 minutes i found that both of the books you recommended were written by Naturopathic Doctors (fake doctors).  I'm sorry but I personally don't believe a thing you've written in this particular thread.  Dr. Cohen apparently has taken a few courses at an unnamed college in long island and has worked in real estate.  No where on Dr. Ron Schmid's website does it say that he attended ANY college.  Everybody is always looking for a conspiracy but i do not believe MILK is one sorry.  I am not doubting that raw milk has worked for you Dr. D but i'll keep on drinking my regular old milk until you can find a real doctor or real scientific proof of the claims you have made.


http://www.drrons.com/drrons-biography.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathic



How are Naturopathic Doctors fake? Oh because they didn't spend 8 years in school and getting a license to prescribe medications? That's small minded. You don't need to go to a college to get a Naturopathic education, there are schools for that alone to get certified.
I can go on an argue about the whole milk thing forever but obviously you won't believe any of it, so it is a waste of my time and energy.
If you want solid evidence , go find the research work of Dr. Weston A.Price ( he was an actual licensed doctor/ dentist and researcher in the 1930's) and his book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. There are a lot of big words in it but it does have pictures so you might understand it. Look for the research work of Dr. J. R. Crewe, of the Mayo Foundation, forerunner of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN or Thomas Cowan M.D.. You can google plenty info on all this to find evidence,

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2007, 02:03:05 PM »
I never said that your post's were invalid.  I just feel that your opinion should be stated as just that your opinion rather than true scientific evidence.  You should not misrepresent yourself as a doctor and your sources as doctors when they are not.  I personally do not know the effect of raw milk on lactose intolerant individuals and it is generally accepted that Pasteurization kills off some good bacteria and vitamins.  However, unpasteurized milk can harbor harmful disease-causing bacteria such as tuberculosis, brucellosis, salmonella, diphtheria, and escherichia coli. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk).  My problem with your statements is mostly "If you eat dairy, eat it organic and/or raw or not at all.".  I personally believe that i get many good benefits from milk and can process it quite well the assertion that it is not doing me any good is just crazy.  If you are of Northern European or Arab decent go ahead drink your milk its good for you otherwise you probably shouldn't because you are most likely lactose intolerant. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance).  One final thing is "That's small minded. You don't need to go to a college to get a Naturopathic education, there are schools for that alone to get certified." this statement is utterly flawed what is stopping me from saying that my bedroom right here right now is a Naturopathic college and what is stopping me from handing out Naturopathic medical degrees right now.  Nothing that is the problem with them.  I'm not saying you shouldn't post i'm not saying what you say is invalid i just felt that the people who are reading what you said and taking it as true scientific fact should be informed that your sources suck.  I will fade into obscurity now my muscles are puny.

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2007, 02:29:51 PM »
I never said that your post's were invalid.  I just feel that your opinion should be stated as just that your opinion rather than true scientific evidence.  You should not misrepresent yourself as a doctor and your sources as doctors when they are not.  I personally do not know the effect of raw milk on lactose intolerant individuals and it is generally accepted that Pasteurization kills off some good bacteria and vitamins.  However, unpasteurized milk can harbor harmful disease-causing bacteria such as tuberculosis, brucellosis, salmonella, diphtheria, and escherichia coli. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk).  My problem with your statements is mostly "If you eat dairy, eat it organic and/or raw or not at all.".  I personally believe that i get many good benefits from milk and can process it quite well the assertion that it is not doing me any good is just crazy.  If you are of Northern European or Arab decent go ahead drink your milk its good for you otherwise you probably shouldn't because you are most likely lactose intolerant. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance).  One final thing is "That's small minded. You don't need to go to a college to get a Naturopathic education, there are schools for that alone to get certified." this statement is utterly flawed what is stopping me from saying that my bedroom right here right now is a Naturopathic college and what is stopping me from handing out Naturopathic medical degrees right now.  Nothing that is the problem with them.  I'm not saying you shouldn't post i'm not saying what you say is invalid i just felt that the people who are reading what you said and taking it as true scientific fact should be informed that your sources suck.  I will fade into obscurity now my muscles are puny.

   First off,Dr. Ron Schmid, the author of " The Untold Story of Milk" is a graduate of MIT and the National College of Naturopathic Medicine.He has taught in all 4 American accredited naturopathic medical schools and served as the first Clinic Director and Chief Medical Officer at the University of Bridegport College of Naturopathic Medicine. Sounds pretty much like a certified doctor to me.

 If the man doesn't want to post his credentials on his website, it's fine by me.I don't care what the person has at the end of their name, either be a MD, ND, or CA. I just gather the facts, do my research and come to my conclusions. If you truly feel that a licensed doctor has the final say, then you are heading for wall sooner or later. All my facts are based on scientific studies as well as other's people's research. I gave you 3 doctors who are true doctors who will back up the same claims on Raw Milk as I do. I have been drinking raw milk for 4 years and never once have I gotten sick or ill in anyway. There is many people in my area who drink it as well, again, I never heard of anyone getting sick. We have been drinking raw milk for centuries until we started pasteurizing it and most people can't tolerate it then.
I never gave you a person who misrepresents themselves, not even myself. I back my stuff up, have the literature, sources and data to confirm. Don't even try to debate this subject with me because you will get nowhere. Just ignore it and go on your way!!

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2007, 03:13:51 PM »
hell no! it's gotta have at least 1% fat in it. and no, children should get whole milk, no fat free shit!

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2007, 03:50:23 PM »
If he truly graduated from M.I.T please back that up with some sort of source please.  The National College of  Natural Medicine is alma mater to over 1500 alumni who practice in nearly every state and Canadian province as well as in many foreign countries. Over 50% of the licensed naturopathic physicians practicing in the United States are graduates of NCNM.(http://www.ncnm.edu/about/ncnm_history.php). This hardly gives me much faith in "naturopathic medicine". Some modalities used in naturopathy are controversial. Medical doctors often cite the large differences among naturopathic practitioners and the lack of scientific documentation of the safety and efficacy of their practices in order to justify limiting naturopathic scope. Skeptics label certain modalities of naturopathy as pseudoscience and criticise successful government legislation to license and accredit naturopaths and their organizations as giving those modalities unwarranted credibility.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathic_medicine).  Raw milk works for you and thats great and i never disputed the fact that Raw milk may be better than good old Homogenized Pasteurized milk but there are risks associated with Raw milk that are not found in good old milk.  I find your most recent attack on me with no sources(If you have valid sources please post them none of the sources you have posted so far have any scientific proof to back them up)  prove that you are a bit of a bullshitter(i just think that there is NO WAY this guy graduated from M.I.T)  You can continue to use sources that have no validity that is your choice but when you get cancer/A.I.D.S one day I'm willing to bet that you will go to a real doctor and not rely on naturopathy to save your life.  I feel its important that someone point out that your  sources suck and that you are not a real MD.  You are misrepresenting yourself as a real doctor spouting real facts when you are in fact not.  You are representing Dr. Ron Schmid as a real doctor when he is not.  When asked for sources this is what you responded with not scientific proof you represented it as scientific proof and that is wrong.  I'm just saying from now on think twice about what Dr. D says and realize that he is not a real doctor he is someone who believes in quackery. Oh by the way you gave me 2 real doctors both of whom died in the 1950's and wrote their articles in the 1930's.

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2007, 08:40:56 PM »
... find a real doctor...


FWIW  :-\ most Drs. know jack about nutrition and supplements.

Okay... carry on  ;)
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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2007, 04:09:56 AM »

FWIW  :-\ most Drs. know jack about nutrition and supplements.

Okay... carry on  ;)


this isn't about nutrition and supplements this is about the fact that milk is surely digestible by those who are lactose tolerant we still produce lactase in our bodies and can easily digest the milk possibly not as well as raw milk true but that fact is backed by no science there is also no proof that organic is better and organic is usually not even really organic unfortunately Dr. D is on this forum representing himself as a real doctor and his sources as creditable even though they are not.  Dr. D has made a number of sweeping assertions which are simply based in opinon.

Some modalities used in naturopathy are controversial. Medical doctors often cite the large differences among naturopathic practitioners and the lack of scientific documentation of the safety and efficacy of their practices in order to justify limiting naturopathic scope. Skeptics label certain modalities of naturopathy as pseudoscience and criticise successful government legislation to license and accredit naturopaths and their organizations as giving those modalities unwarranted credibility.[11] Advocates claim that naturopathic practitioners find it difficult to obtain financing for research due to the lack of prior research in many areas. Proponents state that this is slowly changing as naturopathic physicians develop research programs to help build up a foundation for evidence based treatment.

Conventional medicine is required to undergo rigorous scientific testing; drug trials often last for a decade. A criticism of alternative therapies is that they are not subject to detailed safety assessment. Advocates of naturopathy respond that many of their therapeutic interventions have been safely used for hundreds and in some cases thousands of years, claiming what is lost in formal study design is more than made up for by the breadth and depth of human experience with the interventions in question. Also of concern is the ambiguity of the word "natural" and poor agreement as to its meaning; 'natural' does not necessarily mean beneficial, or even benign.

Naturopathic modalities may be controversial (e.g. homeopathy), or have proven effectiveness only for very specific conditions (eg acupuncture, aromatherapy). Some naturopaths may use these modalities as panaceas or to improve the patient's quality of life, and some are known to be harmful to a patient rather than helpful. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathic_medicine)

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2007, 04:25:10 AM »
I love a good discussion about nutrition, so i'm not gettin inbetween you two, but try not to insult eachother and keep it civilised.

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2007, 06:07:23 AM »
Now now.  Remember.  Milk is babies, men drink beer!

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2007, 11:12:12 PM »
Now now.  Remember.  Milk is babies, men drink beer!

And ladies drink wine  ;)
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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2007, 01:48:06 PM »

FWIW  :-\ most Drs. know jack about nutrition and supplements.

Okay... carry on  ;)


no shit....but they sure know how to give you a pill to take care of EVERY problem

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2007, 03:00:29 PM »

FWIW  :-\ most Drs. know jack about nutrition and supplements.

Okay... carry on  ;)


Agreed.

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Re: Do you drink fat free milk??
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2007, 12:59:46 PM »
Although I'm not expert on the matter, I would have to agree with Copacetic.  I wouldn't take a doctor's advice on nutrition from the 1950's let alone the 1930's.