Not true. I've watched all the video footage there is of both Layne and Jay training and it would be obvious to any objective observer they are close in strength. On the flat press, Jay handles the 160s with roughly the same form and intensity and Layne handles the 150s for instance. I've already cited examples of their maximum lifts giving an inflated deadlift for Jay because he has never deadlifted over 495 on video. Yet you assume he deadlifts more than someone who has been seen deadlifting 550 for reps, even if it is with the trap bar. This is not the same as saying Layne is as strong or stronger than Ronnie. In that case, there is no comparison. I'm simply stating that with Layne and Jay there IS a comparison. Put another way, Layne could not make it through Ronnie's workout or anything close to it. However, Layne could make it through one of Jay's workouts with only having to change the weights slightly for each set. They are comparable and Layne has the videos to prove it.
But forget about my opinion - are you saying that Jay is much stronger than Layne? Give evidence, including examples of both of their maximum lifts.
matt, i'm not the one that made assumptions stupid, you did.
you have absolutely no idea what a difference it makes in how you perform an exercise do you? never mind the fundamental differences between a p/lifter and a b/builder, do you have any clue whatsoever how easy trap bar deadlifts are performed in the same style layne did?
put it this way, if p/lifters could perform trap bar deadlifts the way layne did with wraps on instead of the traditional comp deadlift, you could add about another 1000lbs to the top d/lifts.
you obviously have no idea about leverage/axis points, acceleration, breathing/vasalva, technical skill (which a bber often tries to avoid) or how rest periods, continuous tension, speed of movement can GREATLY affect the amount of weight lifted.
YOU assumed jay was weaker than layne (yes that was your original point prior to backpedalling) based on 2 competely different exercises performed in a completely different style for a completely different purpose.
