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Vet/others, I have a question...
« on: July 23, 2007, 01:28:35 PM »
I put "Vet" in the subject because it appears that you are one and I have to get my dog neutered soon(prolly gonna do it NEXT thurs).  He is almost 20mo old.  I know the surgery is very routine but I am a little worried about the stitches and the cone.  Do dogs normally have a problem with the stitches(I have a feeling mine will) and try to pick at them continously?  I was kind of hoping that I could just put the cone on him at night when I can't watch him and when he is supervised I can take it off?  How long do dogs normally bitch and moan about having the cone on before it goes away? 

God forbid, if he rips the stitches out, how big of a deal is that?  Meaning, he obviously needs to go to ER asap, but is it life threatening?

Any other info is greatly appreciated.  Thx

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Re: Vet/others, I have a question...
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 01:46:49 PM »


dogs with cones on thier heads look funny cuz they kind of look like cheerleaders except cheerleaders usually are'nt dogs and  dogs don't cheer they just bark

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Re: Vet/others, I have a question...
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 02:46:46 PM »
I put "Vet" in the subject because it appears that you are one and I have to get my dog neutered soon(prolly gonna do it NEXT thurs).  He is almost 20mo old.  I know the surgery is very routine but I am a little worried about the stitches and the cone.  Do dogs normally have a problem with the stitches(I have a feeling mine will) and try to pick at them continously?  I was kind of hoping that I could just put the cone on him at night when I can't watch him and when he is supervised I can take it off?  How long do dogs normally bitch and moan about having the cone on before it goes away? 

God forbid, if he rips the stitches out, how big of a deal is that?  Meaning, he obviously needs to go to ER asap, but is it life threatening?

Any other info is greatly appreciated.  Thx

other than taking him for a walk and eating i would keep the cone on him.  its only 3 or 4 days and its not worth taking a chance that he will rip them out.

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 03:56:32 PM »
I put "Vet" in the subject because it appears that you are one and I have to get my dog neutered soon(prolly gonna do it NEXT thurs).  He is almost 20mo old.  I know the surgery is very routine but I am a little worried about the stitches and the cone.  Do dogs normally have a problem with the stitches(I have a feeling mine will) and try to pick at them continously?  I was kind of hoping that I could just put the cone on him at night when I can't watch him and when he is supervised I can take it off?  How long do dogs normally bitch and moan about having the cone on before it goes away? 

God forbid, if he rips the stitches out, how big of a deal is that?  Meaning, he obviously needs to go to ER asap, but is it life threatening?

Any other info is greatly appreciated.  Thx

First off, I routinely did not use Elizabethian Collars (the cone) with any of the neuters I do---good surgical technique, with a minimal incision, good skin and underlying sutures, appropriate post operative pain medication, and stressing the importance of owners monitoring the incision site closely all make use of an E. collar something that most of the time is not necessary.   That said, there are occasionally dogs who do lick the incision excessively, which will lead to skin irritation, which predisposes the dog to getting an infection---so obviously it has to be stopped as soon as possible and an e-collar is a reasonable noninvasive means of preventing the dog from licking the area.   By and large, in my experience the older the dog is at the time of neutering, the more likely it is to lick at the area---the fibrous connective tissue around the testical gets "tougher" as a dog gets older which can lead to increased irritation as that connective tissue is broken down and torn during the surgery.  Not only that, but more mature dogs have bigger blood vessels in the skin and underlying tissue, which as a result of the increased size are more likely to ooze blood, whcih can lead to bruising and swelling, which contributes to post operative pain and discomfort, which can lead to the dog licking the area excessively.  Obviously surgical technique again plays a huge role. 

I've had my one staffie in an e-collar the last 3 weeks because the puppy bit her in the ear when they were playing rough, causing her to develop an aural hematoma (bleeding/bruising under the skin of the ear) which led to her shaking her head and a mess.  Ultimately we did surgery to drain the blood, remove the clots and put her ear back together.  She was a 1 dog battering ram with that collar from day 1 to the time I took it off.   Some dogs will be this way the whole time they are wearing the e-collar.   I really think it drives some dogs nuts because of sound conduction.  I wore one in vet school one afternoon because I was bored and wanted to see what it felt like--I got vetigo so bad I about fell over.   Everything is louder in an e-collar.  Louder to the point of being uncomfortable/almost painful.  I think some dogs may have the same reaction. 

Licking of the incision to the point of any redness or swelling needs to be noted and treated.  This may just mean calling your vet.   It may mean more.   I typically close these as a "three" layer surgery---I suture the edges of the tunic/inguinal rings where the testical is when I clamp and cut off the testicle, sututure the connective tissue just below the skin, and then close the subcuticular layer of the skin and finally oppose the skin with surgical glue.   I've never had a dog open things up past the outermost skin layer---and that worked hard to get that far.  Any gapping of the incision line warrants a recheck examination.    Dont' dink around because if they lick it that much, secondary infection can be a serious issue. 


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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 04:29:18 PM »
Awesome info Vet, and good links Flower.  Do you know anything of that no cone link that flower provided?  That actually looks pretty good, and an inflatable one def wouldnt work so I like the way that no cone/brace looking thing works.

I hope the neuter is done well Vet, it is being done at UPenn so I'd surely hope it'd be.  I had to take him there as a puppy because he held onto his baby canines as his adults were growing in and I thought they'd have to be removed and they are just fantastic there.  Loved everyone of the staff.  Extremely thorough.

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 04:35:23 PM »
I think if you really controlled your dog you could tell him when and IF he may lick his stitches.

    He will be much happier.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 04:52:21 PM »
He wouldn't be allowed to, why would I let him?  Horrible attempt at a joke, bombed it lol.

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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 05:00:39 PM »
Then what was the point of this thread?

  The stitches shouldn't be a problem at all.
   

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 05:06:34 PM »
Your reading comprehension skills are appalling.  I never once asked if it was okay for him to lick at his stitches.

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2007, 05:24:10 PM »
Your reading comprehension skills are appalling.  I never once asked if it was okay for him to lick at his stitches.

 No yours are.   ::)


 Why would you need a cone if you are not going to allow him to lick his stitches.


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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2007, 05:42:05 PM »
I was kind of hoping that I could just put the cone on him at night when I can't watch him and when he is supervised I can take it off?

monster reading comprehension. 

Thanks for your help everyone :)

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2007, 06:12:37 PM »
Then what was the point of this thread?

  
   

the point is dogs without cheer leading skirts on should'nt have cones on thier  little heads

try to keep up will ya ?

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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2007, 07:29:33 AM »
My dogs are female but the vet put the stitches "inside."  They didn't wear cones.

Yes, thats typically the way I do spays and neuters both (any abdominal exploratory in most species for that matter) ---the subcuticular layer is the layer of connective tissue immediately below and intimately involved with the "skin".  Its only in unique situations---ie pregnant dog that just had a c-section where I'll put full thickness skin sutures in.   The subcuticular layer is almost always sufficient.  Then surgical glue is used to close any gaps in the skin. 


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Also Vet, do you have any pics of that afternoon? :)

Nah, I've managed to get most of the pictures of my college years off the internet   ;)

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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 04:16:22 PM »


 Why would you need a cone   8)

because cones help voices carry further to big crowds, that way everyone in the stands get to here what the dogs are cheering about

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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2007, 05:35:00 PM »
because cones help voices carry further to big crowds, that way everyone in the stands get to here what the dogs are cheering about


   geo wears a cone

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 06:01:55 PM »
go flower

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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2007, 05:04:43 PM »


Listening to public radio the other day (Patricia McConnell), I heard that those cones are not only very awkward and uncomfortable, they are also very hard on a a dogs hearing.  Apparently the shape of the cone and the fact that it's so close to the ears makes it very difficult for the dog to understand words and everything is amplified and distorted.  Also cause vertigo  :-[
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2007, 05:28:18 PM »
Listening to public radio the other day (Patricia McConnell), I heard that those cones are not only very awkward and uncomfortable, they are also very hard on a a dogs hearing.  Apparently the shape of the cone and the fact that it's so close to the ears makes it very difficult for the dog to understand words and everything is amplified and distorted.  Also cause vertigo  :-[

true.....but trying to teach a pup NOT to lick his balls (to the point where they were raw & was in serious trouble) is kind of difficult.

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2007, 03:44:25 AM »
true.....but trying to teach a pup NOT to lick his balls (to the point where they were raw & was in serious trouble) is kind of difficult.

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Why is Diego so obsessed with licking his balls Knny?
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2007, 07:17:26 AM »
Why is Diego so obsessed with licking his balls Knny?


boy, a LOT of jokes could come from this!!!    ;D

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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2007, 09:07:59 AM »
Why is Diego so obsessed with licking his balls Knny?


Well.................... ............

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Seriously..he had a boo boo on them (not sure how or why...it was like a sore) so he kept licking them too much making it worse.  We took him to the vet & she believed it may have been a spider bite that started the whole thing.  My theory is....he was at the beach a day or two earlier & did alot of hard running in the sand.  When it first started...it looked like jock itch type of thing.  When I told that to the Vet...she said it was a possibility...but it was hard to determine what started it because it got out of hand pretty quick.


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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2007, 04:44:20 AM »
Maybe he got bitten by some sand flea's?
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