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Re: Al Gore and IPCC gets Nobel Peace Prize - effects?
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2007, 10:08:26 AM »
Your posting 8 true believers does nothing to help your case that your view is in the distinct minority of the scientific community.

If you look hard enough, there are probably still scientists out there who will get on FOXnews and debate the earth is actually flat.

Considering the oil companies are seeing record profits, it's not surprising they're able to find scientists willing to say what benefits them.

Being a 'scientist' does not always equal being honest/ethical.  Just like there are crooked cops, judges, and politicians, there are scientists who will say anything for a nice paycheck.   I'm shocked by the automatic credibility some of you assign to them.  When the MACRO group believes something, you can give it credibility.  When 2% of them say something (which incidentially benefits a very rich group for whom they may work), you afford them a little less credibility.

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Re: Al Gore and IPCC gets Nobel Peace Prize - effects?
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2007, 10:12:09 AM »
You and your Big Energy brothers in principle are in the tiny minority. 

I won't beat this horse to death, but if you believed the false poll that you cited, what's to keep you from buying all the other BS out there supporting your minority position. 

You want to believe b/c it is politically expedient for you to do so.

Your posting 8 true believers does nothing to help your case that your view is in the distinct minority of the scientific community.


Again, there is a hell of alot more than eight (there is only so much space to try to open your eyes and make you relaize that you and your PC bretheren are standing in the way of legitimate science with an Inquisition-type atmosphere.  I;m going to try, one last time to open your mind . . .


http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597
"Don't Believe the Hype
Al Gore is wrong. There's no "consensus" on global warming.

BY RICHARD S. LINDZEN
Sunday, July 2, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT"

By the way, Mr. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT, another "flat earth hack" I suppose.



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Re: Al Gore and IPCC gets Nobel Peace Prize - effects?
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2007, 10:24:25 AM »

Again, there is a hell of alot more than eight (there is only so much space to try to open your eyes and make you relaize that you and your PC bretheren are standing in the way of legitimate science with an Inquisition-type atmosphere.  I;m going to try, one last time to open your mind . . .


http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597
"Don't Believe the Hype
Al Gore is wrong. There's no "consensus" on global warming.

BY RICHARD S. LINDZEN
Sunday, July 2, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT"

By the way, Mr. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT, another "flat earth hack" I suppose.
We are two ships passing in the night.  I am not a climatologist.  That's why I listen to the scientific consensus on the topic of GW.

I have no ax to grind.  I'm not a PC zombie. 

I simply defer to those knowing best.  And the consensus out there in the scientific community is that mankind's activities are making GW worse.

In other words, I'm not debating the validity of the point that GW is being made worse by mankind's activities, I am merely agreeing with the scientific consensus.

Yours is an uphill battle to turn that tide of consensus.

Also, the Wall Street Editorial board is comprised of hardline believers in Supply Side Economics.  If it believes that nonsense, then it's right at home with attacking the global warming problem as a hoax.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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Re: Al Gore and IPCC gets Nobel Peace Prize - effects?
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2007, 10:29:06 AM »
We are two ships passing in the night.  I am not a climatologist.  That's why I listen to the scientific consensus on the topic of GW.

I have no ax to grind.  I'm not a PC zombie. 
I am merely agreeing with the scientific consensus.

Yours is an uphill battle to turn that tide of consensus.



So you say there is a consensus, but a professor of atmospheric science at MIT says there is no consensus.  It doesn't sound like an "uphill battle" to me.

As far as not having a PC axe to grind, your ad hominem attacks on respected men and women of distinction who happen to diasagree with global warming are littered throughout your prior posts. 


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Re: Al Gore and IPCC gets Nobel Peace Prize - effects?
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2007, 10:43:30 AM »

Your posting 8 true believers does nothing to help your case that your view is in the distinct minority of the scientific community.

Pretty impressive group of believers.  They are from France, Canada, Israel, Australia, UK, New Zealand, the U.S. (including MIT).  You can't simply dismiss those opinions. 

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Re: Al Gore and IPCC gets Nobel Peace Prize - effects?
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2007, 11:31:59 AM »
So you say there is a consensus, but a professor of atmospheric science at MIT says there is no consensus.  It doesn't sound like an "uphill battle" to me.

As far as not having a PC axe to grind, your ad hominem attacks on respected men and women of distinction who happen to diasagree with global warming are littered throughout your prior posts. 
There are literally thousands of climatologists that are at odds with you.  http://www.ucsusa.org/

Let's look at Lindzen's little hit-piece on Gore:

"Lindzen does acknowledge that thousands of scientists from 120 countries have agreed, through the extraordinarily rigorous International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) process, that human activity is driving global warming. He also acknowledges that this consensus was recently confirmed by a report prepared for Congress by the National Academy of Scientists.

Here is Lindzen’s only substantive response:

More recently, a study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy [sic — Naomi] Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words “global climate change” produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it.

Peiser’s work – and Lindzen’s reliance on it — is an embarrassment. Here’s why:

1. Peizer misunderstands the point of Oreskes study. The point was not that every article about climate change explicitly endorsed the IPCC conclusions. The point is that if there was real uncertainty there would be “substantive disagreement in the scientific community” that would be reflected in peer reviewed literature. There wasn’t.

2. Peiser didn’t find any peer reviewed studies that oppose the scientific consensus. Peiser claimed that 34 papers “reject or doubt” the consensus view. Tim Lambert got Peiser to send him the abstracts of those 34 papers. The vast majority of these papers express no doubt whatsoever about the consensus view. Only one paper, by the Association of Petroleum Geologists, cited by Peiser actually rejects the consensus view and it “does not appear to have been peer reviewed outside that Association.”

Peiser has admitted that his work included errors. But ultimately, it doesn’t make a difference. The point of activity like this isn’t to be right, it’s simply to provide fodder to people like Lindzen to create the appearance of uncertainty."

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/26/wsj-gore/







And here's another ad hominem attack:  the Wall Street Journal Editorial page is full of right wing hacks.

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Re: Al Gore and IPCC gets Nobel Peace Prize - effects?
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2007, 11:34:42 AM »
what's funny is - they used to deny it was happening.

Now, they admit it's happening, but deny the cause.

With trillions at stake, we'd be some lying-ass scientists too :)

Nobody here can say with a straight face for a big enough stack of money, they wouldn't read certain scientific findings in a courtroom.  Nobody.

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Re: Al Gore and IPCC gets Nobel Peace Prize - effects?
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2007, 11:59:29 AM »
Midnite Rambo, you have cited a gallup poll and an article by a scholar.

Both turned out to be inaccurate crap.

Both were offered up to disprove Al Gore and make him look like an uninformed buffoon re GW.

But what we've seen is that your "truth" re GW is nothing more than a veiled character assassination of Al Gore.

Thank god your sources are so hopelessly corrupted that they are inconsequential to anyone with an ounce of scholarly integrity.