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Christian War on India
« on: February 04, 2009, 09:52:42 PM »

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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 02:22:17 AM »
Where's your video on the islamic war on India via the violent means of jihad? Or doesn't that concern you?
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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 03:50:48 AM »
Where's your video on the islamic war on India via the violent means of jihad? Or doesn't that concern you?
this one isn't posted.  That one is already posted a jillion times.  You're the first person to ask for repeat postings on a board.  Oddly fucking retarded.  Are you feeling ok?

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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 04:57:41 AM »
this one isn't posted.  That one is already posted a jillion times.  You're the first person to ask for repeat postings on a board.  Oddly fucking retarded.  Are you feeling ok?

I feel fine comrade, how are you feeling?
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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 07:11:05 AM »

I didn't watch the whole thing but their definition of "Christian" and how they are taught to act toward others is not biblical. 

They guy said he was not allowed to be around Hindus when he was Christian... 

Christianity teaches to go to unbelievers and share the gospel w/them and treat them w/love so that they may see that God is good etc.

Even as Jesus sat and ate w/sinners the Pharisees said ..hey! Look at this Jesus..he hangs out w/sinners!   And Jesus said "I didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Here:
Mark 2:15-17
While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and "sinners" were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?"

On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."







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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2009, 07:13:45 AM »
But there does seem to be a type of "war" between the Hindus and Christians over there.....here's more info:

Convert or we will kill you, Hindu lynch mobs tell fleeing Christians

As a fresh wave of sectarian violence is unleashed across the Indian state of Orissa, Gethin Chamberlain talks to homeless survivors in Kandhamal district who were forced to abandon their religion

Gethin Chamberlain The Observer, Sunday 19 October 2008

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/19/orissa-viol



Hundreds of Christians in the Indian state of Orissa have been forced to renounce their religion and become Hindus after lynch mobs issued them with a stark ultimatum: convert or die.

The wave of forced conversions marks a dramatic escalation in a two-month orgy of sectarian violence which has left at least 59 people dead, 50,000 homeless and thousands of houses and churches burnt to the ground. As neighbour has turned on neighbour, thousands more Christians have sought sanctuary in refugee camps, unable to return to the wreckage of their homes unless they, too, agree to abandon their faith.

Last week, in the worst-affected Kandhamal district, The Observer encountered compelling evidence of the scale of the violence employed in a conversion programme apparently sanctioned by members of one of the most powerful Hindu groups in India, the 6.8-million member Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) - the World Hindu Council.

Standing in the ashes of her neighbour's house in the village of Sarangagada, Jaspina Naik, 32, spoke nervously, glancing towards a group of Hindu men watching her suspiciously. 'My neighbours said, "If you go on being Christians, we will burn your houses and your children in front of you, so make up your minds quickly",' she said. 'I was scared. Christians have no place in this area now.'

On her forehead, she wore a gash of vermilion denoting a married Hindu woman, placed there by the priest at the conversion ceremony she had been obliged to attend a day earlier, along with her husband and three young children. 'I'm totally broken,' she said. 'I have always been a Christian. Inside I am still praying for Jesus to give me peace and to take me out of this situation.'

She and her neighbour, Kumari Naik, 35, gazed forlornly at the charred remains of the house. The mob that arrived one evening in the first week of the violence, armed with swords and axes, had looted what they wanted before dousing the building with petrol and setting it alight. Kumari had fled into the nearby forest with her husband, Umesh, and 14-year-old son Santosh. A smoke-damaged child's drawing of Mickey Mouse pinned to one wall was all that remained of their former lives. Shattered roof tiles crunched underfoot as the women moved through the blackened rooms.

The priest had given them cow dung to eat during the ceremony, they said, telling them it would purify them. 'We were doing that, but we were crying,' Jaspina said.

The roads between the villages are rough and potholed, adding to the difficulties in accessing what is already a remote region, a six-hour drive from the state capital, Bhubaneshwar. The remoteness has undoubtedly played a part in the continuation of the violence, making it harder for police to move about quickly, even if they were minded to do so. Christian leaders, though, have accused the authorities of dragging their feet, claiming they are reluctant to antagonise the majority Hindu community in the run-up to parliamentary elections next year.

 Sumani Naik, 18, stands beneath a torn Christian poster in her fire-damaged house in Kandhamal district after being forced to convert. Photograph: Gethin Chamberlain Relations between the Hindu and Christian communities were already at a low ebb when the killing of VHP leader Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati on 23 August provided the trigger for the current wave of violence. The VHP blamed Christians and the mobs descended on the homes of neighbours and friends. Those who were too slow to get away were killed. Amid the savagery, two incidents stood out: a young Hindu woman working in a Christian orphanage was burnt alive and a nun was gang-raped.

Yet the VHP is unrepentant and appears to be involved, at least at grassroots level, with the campaign of forced conversions. One priest who converted 18 Christians in the village of Sankarakhole last week told The Observer that he had been approached by local VHP representatives to carry out the ceremony.

'The VHP people came with letters that said they wanted to be converted, so I converted them,' said Preti Singh Patra, who is the brother of a senior VHP official. Crouching on the ground in front of his temple, set in a small walled garden beneath a huge banyan tree, he ran through the details of the ceremony: first some fruit to eat, followed by a mixture of cow dung and urine mixed with milk and curd, a dip in water from the Ganges, an hour of prayers and then the painting of a bindi on the forehead.

Some local men stepped forward to speak to him. 'Don't say too much,' they warned. The priest seemed unconcerned. The 18 had been the only Christians in the village, he said. They were happy to convert.

Around the village, the countryside is a sea of green, a beautiful lush vista that offers, at a distance, no clues to the turmoil. Yet up close it is a landscape scarred by the ugly remains of homes and churches which lie shattered between other houses still inhabited and unscathed, those belonging to Kandhamal's Hindus.

A few miles down the road from Sankarakhole, in the village of Minia, Sujata Digal, 38, stood outside her own burnt-out home. The mob had arrived at 3am, she said. She and her husband Hari hid in the forest and watched the house burn. When they came out of the forest, the mob returned and told them to convert, and it was not a hard decision.

'They said, 'If you don't become Hindu, we'll burn your houses too and start killing you',' said Ashish Digal, the former Christian pastor. 'I've been forced to convert. Everyone is being converted. They beat us in the fields. I went to the temple. We had to say that we belonged to the Hindu state of Orissa, and that from this day we are Hindus.'

 Soldiers guarding Christian refugees at a camp in Kandamal district. Photograph: Gethin Chamberlain Before the violence started, Christians outnumbered Hindus in Minia: now 115 have converted, roughly half of their original number. The rest have fled.

Burn your Bibles, the men told Ashish Digal. He told them he had, but hid them instead. Every couple of days people come to his house to search, hoping to catch him out. Those people are not strangers; they are his neighbours.

They had been sitting idly in the main road when The Observer's car pulled up. Now the young driver, Sudhir, was rushing down the path that led to what remained of Sujata Digal's house, holding his head, visibly shaken. 'We must leave now,' he said.

He had been standing by the car when the men closed in around him. They left the talking to Prashant Digal, a teacher and organiser for the local VHP youth wing. 'Why did you bring these people here?', he demanded, punching Sudhir in the head. 'Take the vehicle and go. Leave them here for us.' They surrounded him, a young Hindu, and slapped him around again. No one came to his aid. 'If you stay, we will burn you with them in the car. You will all be killed. Just leave them,' they told him. But he did not, which was a decent thing for a frightened boy to do. He drove a little way down the road and parked around a corner, out of sight, and came back to raise the alarm.

Back on the main road, the men were waiting. 'Put your notebook and your cameras away. You will take no pictures and record nothing,' the VHP man said. 'You want to know what is happening? Now I will tell you why this is happening.' He blamed the Christians for taking the jobs of Hindus, for the murder of the Swami. The only solution was for Christians to convert, he said. 'This is a Hindu community. Everyone can stay here, as long as they are part of that community. And now you should go.'

 
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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 07:40:38 AM »
Hmm, the Hindu's seem to have been taught well by the moslems. Ironically, I don't think Hinduism prescribes forced conversions like this like islam does.
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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2009, 08:24:20 AM »
Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Leo Tolstoy and Jesus

Leo Tolstoy, Lev Tolstoy, or Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy (September 9 1828 – November 20 1910) was a Russian writer widely regarded as one of the greatest of all novelists. His masterpieces War and Peace and Anna Karenina stand, in their scope, breadth and vivid depiction of 19th-century Russian life, at the very peak of realist fiction.
Tolstoy's further talents as essayist, dramatist and educational reformer made him the most influential member of the aristocratic Tolstoy family. His literal interpretation of the ethical teachings of Jesus, centering on the Sermon on the Mount, caused him in later life to become a fervent Christian anarchist and pacifist. His ideas on nonviolent resistance, expressed in such works as The Kingdom of God is Within You, were to have a profound impact on such pivotal twentieth-century figures as Gandhi[1] and Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
Pacifism
A letter Tolstoy wrote in 1908 to an Indian newspaper entitled "Letter to a Hindu" resulted in intense correspondence with Mohandas Gandhi, who was in South Africa at the time and was beginning to become an activist. Reading "The Kingdom of God is Within You" made a strong impression on Gandhi in terms of his public commitment to nonviolent resistance, a debt Gandhi acknowledged in his autobiography, calling Tolstoy "the greatest apostle of non-violence that the present age has produced". The correspondence between Tolstoy and Gandhi would only last a year, from October 1909 until Tolstoy's death in November 1910, but led Gandhi to give the name the Tolstoy Colony to his second ashram in South Africa. Besides non-violent resistance, the two men shared a common belief in the merits of vegetarianism, the subject of several of Tolstoy's essays (see Christian vegetarianism).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy#Pacifism
 
1. Martin E. Hellman, Resist Not Evil in World Without Violence(Arun Gandhi ed.), M.K. Gandhi Institute, 1994, retrieved on 14 December 2006]  http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/opinion/Resist_Not.html
 
Leo Tolstoy
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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 06:00:18 AM »


Hugo,

There is no "Christian War on India."  This video is a dishonest attack on Christianity.  The person who edited the video added some text that bashes "Christian Missionaries", but in the video itself there is a female voice with an Indian accent which says:

"I found that there are three groups of Christians working in the area: The Catholics, the Protestants, and a third group who masquerades as Christians, but I would say are a type of mafia extorting money and using violence against villages to further their own ends.  This last group is the largest."

So the video clearly says that these aren't Christians, but con artists posing as Christians to take advantage of the poor and uneducated.

I know what Christian missionaries do in Venezuela, in other Latin American countries and in China.  They do nothing but good.  They bring health care, medicine, food, clothing, literacy, build shelters and bring a message of hope to those who are poor, needy, helpless and hopeless.  The only bad thing about these Christian missionaries is that there aren't enough of them.

As for India, there are Indian Christians there who have been so for many generations, for almost 2,000 years.  They did not just get converted to Christianity by foreign missionaries.  Christians form the third largest group in Kerala, India. They have sometimes, even in some official documents, been called Nazaranis (followers of Jesus of Nazarene) or St. Thomas Christians.

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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 09:29:16 PM »
Hugo,

There is no "Christian War on India."  This video is a dishonest attack on Christianity.  The person who edited the video added some text that bashes "Christian Missionaries", but in the video itself there is a female voice with an Indian accent which says:

"I found that there are three groups of Christians working in the area: The Catholics, the Protestants, and a third group who masquerades as Christians, but I would say are a type of mafia extorting money and using violence against villages to further their own ends.  This last group is the largest."

So the video clearly says that these aren't Christians, but con artists posing as Christians to take advantage of the poor and uneducated.

I know what Christian missionaries do in Venezuela, in other Latin American countries and in China.  They do nothing but good.  They bring health care, medicine, food, clothing, literacy, build shelters and bring a message of hope to those who are poor, needy, helpless and hopeless.  The only bad thing about these Christian missionaries is that there aren't enough of them.

As for India, there are Indian Christians there who have been so for many generations, for almost 2,000 years.  They did not just get converted to Christianity by foreign missionaries.  Christians form the third largest group in Kerala, India. They have sometimes, even in some official documents, been called Nazaranis (followers of Jesus of Nazarene) or St. Thomas Christians.
How many con artists opperate as christians?  Shit happens here quite a bit.  At what point is the whole thing revealed as a con?




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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 03:08:38 AM »
How many con artists opperate as christians?  Shit happens here quite a bit.  At what point is the whole thing revealed as a con?

No offense, but can't that same logic be applied to politicians etc? Some of our elected officials turn out to be con-men, how long until every government on Earth is revealed as a con?
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Re: Christian War on India
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2009, 03:28:55 AM »
No offense, but can't that same logic be applied to politicians etc? Some of our elected officials turn out to be con-men, how long until every government on Earth is revealed as a con?
no offense but you're spot on. ;)