Is the Quran nothing but a terrorist's handbook? - *EVIDENCE INSIDE*

[benz]

So and since there has been too much controversy, im pasting here phrases from the quran so our muslim brothers, members of the getbig community, can explain us about this peacefull religion

Fighting

Koran 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Koran 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Koran 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Koran 2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”

Koran 61:4 “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause.”

Terrorism

Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”

Koran 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Koran 7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”

Bukhari:V9B87N127  “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N516 “When Allah’s Apostle fought or raided people we raised our voices saying, ‘Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’”

War

Koran 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

Ishaq:472 “Muhammad’s Companions are the best in war.”

Ishaq:322 “Allah said, ‘Do not turn away from Muhammad when he is speaking to you. Do not contradict his orders. And do not be a hypocrite, one who pretends to be obedient to him and then disobeys him. Those who do so will receive My vengeance. You must respond to the Apostle when he summons you to war.”

Jihad

Koran 2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.”

Koran 47:4 “So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”


There's much more, i keep reading here from the MUSLIM COMMUNITY that those people who are killing kids, forcing little girls to marry old men, are not correctly following the ISLAM, but, according to Ishaq:322, you guys shouldnt be contradicting his orders.

So, who is wrong now? I think you guys should be able to tell us why a "holy bible" as the quran is for the muslims, mention so many times the words WAR, TERROR, FIGHT, KILL.
Isn't it supposed to be a peaceful religion? 

[haider]

Slay them wherever ye see them! Fight those who oppress you, who enrich themselves with your riches! Fight in the name of thy Lord, the most Benificient, the most Merciful 

[benz]

Im surprised that no muslim brother wants to comment this thread, come on guys, at least say the one who wrote the quran was wrong too

[beatmaster]

damn, everything above is already happening....... so i guess it's true, they follow the book to the T !

[benz]

damn, everything above is already happening....... so i guess it's true, they follow the book to the T !

I think the muslim brothers here in getbig are not real muslims, they all deny the what i pasted here.

If you guys deny your own bible, how can you call yourselves muslims... 

[haider]

How much bukhari have you read? It is a very important part of the Quran.

[Hedgehog]

The Koran is obviously not a terrorist's handbook.

Making such a claim isn't serious. It's anti-Islamic sensationalism. Doesn't lead to any creative, only pisses people off.

However, claiming that the Koran has several passages, encouraging the reader to use force in order to spread Islam, is correct.

To point out that the Koran was written a long time ago, and that it has long passed it expiration date, is also correct.

And to discuss this, and its ramifications on current world politics, is definitely something that needs to be done.

Eg a country like Iran, where polygamy is widespread, and women have a terrible situation, Islam is fundamental in keeping that system in place.

I cannot understand how any modern "Muslim", can look at Iran, and then still consider himself/herself  Muslim.

Because all of the practices in Iran, has support in the Koran.

What does that say about the religion of Islam?

Then again, hateful bashing of Muslims won't get us anywhere. The only thing that will wipe out Islam, is common sense, and Democracy.

[benz]

The Koran is obviously not a terrorist's handbook.

Making such a claim isn't serious. It's anti-Islamic sensationalism. Doesn't lead to any creative, only pisses people off.

However, claiming that the Koran has several passages, encouraging the reader to use force in order to spread Islam, is correct.

To point out that the Koran was written a long time ago, and that it has long passed it expiration date, is also correct.

And to discuss this, and its ramifications on current world politics, is definitely something that needs to be done.

Eg a country like Iran, where polygamy is widespread, and women have a terrible situation, Islam is fundamental in keeping that system in place.

I cannot understand how any modern "Muslim", can look at Iran, and then still consider himself/herself  Muslim.

Because all of the practices in Iran, has support in the Koran.

What does that say about the religion of Islam?

Then again, hateful bashing of Muslims won't get us anywhere. The only thing that will wipe out Islam, is common sense, and Democracy.

Democracy is useless. Just remember when pilatus asked "the people" who to kill: A man whose crime was to think he was a king or a man whose crime was rape ... democracy chosen the poor bastard that thought he was the king.


In soviet russia, democracy does not exist

[Deicide]

Democracy is useless. Just remember when pilatus asked "the people" who to kill: A man whose crime was to think he was a king or a man whose crime was rape ... democracy chosen the poor bastard that thought he was the king.


In soviet russia, democracy does not exist

Democracy is the rule of the mob or the tyranny of the majority; the best form of government is a republic.

[OzmO]

Every pure democracy leads to a dictatorship.

[Nordic Superman]

I think the muslim brothers here in getbig are not real muslims, they all deny the what i pasted here.

If you guys deny your own bible, how can you call yourselves muslims... 

Denying any passages in the koran will lead to damnation in hell for those who chose to do so.

There is however passages that supersede earlier passages, which complicates the matter and is very strange considering the koran is supposedly a perfect copy of the mother of books (the book that as been beside god since time began).

The Koran is obviously not a terrorist's handbook.

Making such a claim isn't serious. It's anti-Islamic sensationalism. Doesn't lead to any creative, only pisses people off.

However, claiming that the Koran has several passages, encouraging the reader to use force in order to spread Islam, is correct.

To point out that the Koran was written a long time ago, and that it has long passed it expiration date, is also correct.

And to discuss this, and its ramifications on current world politics, is definitely something that needs to be done.

Eg a country like Iran, where polygamy is widespread, and women have a terrible situation, Islam is fundamental in keeping that system in place.

I cannot understand how any modern "Muslim", can look at Iran, and then still consider himself/herself  Muslim.

Because all of the practices in Iran, has support in the Koran.

What does that say about the religion of Islam?

Then again, hateful bashing of Muslims won't get us anywhere. The only thing that will wipe out Islam, is common sense, and Democracy.

The koran is ageless, its date of conception for mankind has no relevance considering it is a perfect copy of the mother of books and that it contains only the infallible words of a all mighty all knowing god.

Democracy, as great as it is with civilised peoples will be our downfall.

Mass immigration has upset the balance which the western democratic countries once had. Now look around, Paris, UK, Brussels, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden and Norway etc etc... It's even started to stretch to the US.

Democracy is the rule of the mob or the tyranny of the majority; the best form of government is a republic.

Every pure democracy leads to a dictatorship.

Bingo. Democracy itself provides a vehicle for an islamic dictatorship.

Of course your pacifist personality will deny this eh Hedge?

BTW, are you a vegetarian Hedge?

[ToxicAvenger]

So and since there has been too much controversy, im pasting here phrases from the quran so our muslim brothers, members of the getbig community, can explain us about this peacefull religion

Fighting

Koran 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Koran 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Koran 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Koran 2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”

Koran 61:4 “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause.”

Terrorism

Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”

Koran 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Koran 7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”

Bukhari:V9B87N127  “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N516 “When Allah’s Apostle fought or raided people we raised our voices saying, ‘Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’”

War

Koran 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

Ishaq:472 “Muhammad’s Companions are the best in war.”

Ishaq:322 “Allah said, ‘Do not turn away from Muhammad when he is speaking to you. Do not contradict his orders. And do not be a hypocrite, one who pretends to be obedient to him and then disobeys him. Those who do so will receive My vengeance. You must respond to the Apostle when he summons you to war.”

Jihad

Koran 2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.”

Koran 47:4 “So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”


There's much more, i keep reading here from the MUSLIM COMMUNITY that those people who are killing kids, forcing little girls to marry old men, are not correctly following the ISLAM, but, according to Ishaq:322, you guys shouldnt be contradicting his orders.

So, who is wrong now? I think you guys should be able to tell us why a "holy bible" as the quran is for the muslims, mention so many times the words WAR, TERROR, FIGHT, KILL.
Isn't it supposed to be a peaceful religion? 

well mate if that actually if right yall r totally fucked...

there r 1.6 billion of em on the planet...

[benz]

well mate if that actually if right yall r totally fucked...

there r 1.6 billion of em on the planet...

 

You forgot fbi's advice:

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS

[ToxicAvenger]

You forgot fbi's advice:

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS

i'll let my poor mum and dad know...they r muslims and completely unaware of the fact that the should hate christians...lol..



actually i must alert dad so he stops giving to christian charities...he's helping the enemy!


poor knob is under the false impression that doing good is doing good..regardless of religion..

[Hedgehog]

i'll let my poor mum and dad know...they r muslims and completely unaware of the fact that the should hate christians...lol..



actually i must alert dad so he stops giving to christian charities...he's helping the enemy!


poor knob is under the false impression that doing good is doing good..regardless of religion..

What you could do, is to alert them on the inconsistency in their reason, and ask them if they are prepared to believe in a religion like Islam, that obviously preaches the above.

Because your parents seem like "good people".

My guess is that they are afraid to challenge the religion of Islam, that it is a very big leap for them to say that Islam doesn't make sense, that it goes against their actual beliefs.

And therefore, that they will somehow rationalize, and claim that they still are Muslims, they will cop-out, take the easy way out.

I think it is cowardly.

Although I definitely understand it. The power of religion and cultural tradition is very strong.

Anyone who is able to break away from it, to think for his/her own, is worthy of praise.

[Nordic Superman]

Toxic you make your parents out to be sickly sweet muslims.

It's not helping your cause because it's clearly a fabrication. Just like your charms with women!