Coming off tren ace/test prop (first cycle)

[Freeze2000]

Well I happened to be a complete ****wit, and took tren ace my first time with my cycle.  This is my first one, and im finishing up in about 1 week.  I know tren will shut you down HARDCORE, I've been doing my research.


I got letro, nolva, and clomid on hand. 


What should I expect and what should I use dosage wise for my PCT?  How bad will tren **** me over? 

[trab]

What else did you take and how long?
Actually Tren dont convert to estrogen. That was one of its design benefits when Negma France
made parabolin.

ANy steroids cause suppression, its a matter of degree.
How big a load did you stop on, and how long ago?

TE hangs around  a long time too.

[trab]

http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/

Get an idea of what kind of build up you have and when you'll crash,.
As well as how long to 100% clean. Any residual supresses nat test.

Letting levels drop like a rock at end are worst for me.
Slow reduction and ride out as much time as possible to clean.

HCG @ 300-500iu ed,  or even every 3rd day kills a lot of time while whatever you were on degrades.
A box of clomid after taht, and time out for even a big load of TE.

Lots of guys dont understand how long this shit hangs around. Just because you dont feel it dont mean its all gone.

[Freeze2000]

Well I ran 10 weeks 100mg test prop tren ace.  Its about week 9.  I am running winny now for about 3 weeks, and im going to finish once I finish cycle.


I want to run a winny only during PCT, but I don't think that will happen.  I need to recover.  I have clen, but hate it.

[trab]

So, you were runin TP100 & Tren100 eod together, and winny alone now...

All this stuff is actually fast clearing... The tren is supressive via CNS stimulation not estrogen is my take.

I dont think your in for any worse than a average course of TE. In fact, it bet easier.

Gain much?

I'd not run Stanoz with your PCT (HCG, CLomid, nolva?

I think your worried about nada. Its all supressive though, that why I like to go longer.

[Freeze2000]

Well basically yes, im running TP and TREN 100mg EOD, with 50mg winny ED.  But once I get off I want to run a WINNY ( to cut up) but I think ill wait tell feb... Just take my norm supps tell feb.


Im not worried about gyno, because I think im PRE-lactin gyno (causes from test, and not tren) so the nolva and letro WILL help me, and not do any dmg. 


Yeah thanks for the advice, I wont run winny with my pct, even though its tempting sense the end of my cycle im losing fat like a ****ing monkey. 

I heard clomid will make me depressed, should I save it for my next cycle, or add it to the nolva and letro?

[trab]

Clomid does diff stuff to diff PPL. NO tellin' till you try.
It helps blow back up the nuts if need be.

I see no  use for letro w/ these nonaromatising drugs myself.

But Nolva seems to have a benificial effect post cycle.

YOur not having any gyno issues w/ this stuff?

[Freeze2000]

I am from the test prop (nips are sensitive) but I don't have a lump from the tren ace. 

[trab]

THen I'd stay on the Letro or nolva if your on it,
 post cycle your going to want to keep  on them and tapper them off a bit at the   very end.

ARe you on Letro or nolva now? THat Tprop maybe TE or TC. Prop is not know for this problem at that dose. Much UG steroid is NOT what its labled as.

[JasonH]

Tren was fucking brilliant when I used it - best of all the stuff I took in fact. It was stacked with equipoise.