1/3 of SA's Afrikaners Destitute, Unemployed

[JBGRAY]

The joys and happiness of multiculturalism and diversity at work once again.  First, it was tribal conflict, then Apartheid, and then this new regime of ignorance, extreme violence, and stupidity that by far trumps the previous evils that beset this cursed land.

http://groups.msn.com/CRIMEBUSTERSofSouthAfrica/alertsonhealth.msnw?action=get_message&mview=&ID_Message=3850

[24KT]

The joys and happiness of multiculturalism and diversity at work once again.  First, it was tribal conflict, then Apartheid, and then this new regime of ignorance, extreme violence, and stupidity that by far trumps the previous evils that beset this cursed land.

http://groups.msn.com/CRIMEBUSTERSofSouthAfrica/alertsonhealth.msnw?action=get_message&mview=&ID_Message=3850

Sorry JB, as tragic as this sounds, I don't see how this policy of systemic racial discrimination "far trumps the previous evils that have beset this cursed land". If anything, it sounds a little milder than what has been par for the course in previous times. At least they are not seeing their families forcefully ripped apart, and they are not being hunted down and shot for sport.

[Deicide]

Sorry JB, as tragic as this sounds, I don't see how this policy of systemic racial discrimination "far trumps the previous evils that have beset this cursed land". If anything, it sounds a little milder than what has been par for the course in previous times. At least they are not seeing their families forcefully ripped apart, and they are not being hunted down and shot for sport.

I do inform myself about South African affairs, it being the last hope of black Africa and now with this nut/idiot Zuma, things are not looking up. I will shortly comment on the late, great Republic of Rhodesia, now an utter failure and a mess, otherwise known as Zimbabwe. The blacks wanted control of the country and wanted to remove the white minority from power and they did so, raping, murdering, plundering and causing great destruction throughout the land. Some 25 years after the fall of Rhodesia, just look at the place, totally mismanaged and a total failure and now they want the British to become involved again to save their arses after THEY fucked it up. No, people like you JB living in your sheltered Ontario really don't have a fucking clue what's going on in Africa and think that you can apply Canadian standards to the mess in South Africa. Whatever the inequality might have been, we have yet again another case study in African incompetence much like we did in Rhodesia. Here we have Jacob Zuma, voted to be president of the ANC, likely a rapist, running about singing "give me my machine gun" and whilst uninformed people like you might lament the horrors of Apartheid South Africa, you really don't have a bloody clue as to what is going on in the world. The very fact that Zuma has been endorsed shows that South Africa is following in the footsteps of the rest of black Africa and will likely turn into a nation of savages, much as it is the case in Congo, Ruwanda, Zimbabwe, etc. But of course things are better now without a white majority control, right? 

[24KT]

I do inform myself about South African affairs, it being the last hope of black Africa and now with this nut/idiot Zuma, things are not looking up. I will shortly comment on the late, great Republic of Rhodesia, now an utter failure and a mess, otherwise known as Zimbabwe. The blacks wanted control of the country and wanted to remove the white minority from power and they did so, raping, murdering, plundering and causing great destruction throughout the land. Some 25 years after the fall of Rhodesia, just look at the place, totally mismanaged and a total failure and now they want the British to become involved again to save their arses after THEY fucked it up. No, people like you JB living in your sheltered Ontario really don't have a fucking clue what's going on in Africa and think that you can apply Canadian standards to the mess in South Africa. Whatever the inequality might have been, we have yet again another case study in African incompetence much like we did in Rhodesia. Here we have Jacob Zuma, voted to be president of the ANC, likely a rapist, running about singing "give me my machine gun" and whilst uninformed people like you might lament the horrors of Apartheid South Africa, you really don't have a bloody clue as to what is going on in the world. The very fact that Zuma has been endorsed shows that South Africa is following in the footsteps of the rest of black Africa and will likely turn into a nation of savages, much as it is the case in Congo, Ruwanda, Zimbabwe, etc. But of course things are better now without a white majority control, right? 

Though you address that to JB, I think you actually meant me so I'll respond.

I'm in now way saying SA is better off. I'm simply saying the attrocities he described is similar to mcuh of what has occurred previously. Remove color from the equation, and you have the same systemic discrimination that existed in previous years, without the race-based genocide for sport. I'm not deny things are screwed up there. I just feel somewhat cynical about the dramaqueen tactics employed. It reminds me of the comments shortly after 911, when people said "911 was the worst disaster in the history of mankind", "The single biggest human loss of life in a single day"    Kind of makes you want to tell people to get over themselves and get a grip on reality. As tragic as 911 was, ...there are and continue to be human and hunaitarian disasters that far outweigh it.

[Deicide]

Though you address that to JB, I think you actually meant me so I'll respond.

I'm in now way saying SA is better off. I'm simply saying the attrocities he described is similar to mcuh of what has occurred previously. Remove color from the equation, and you have the same systemic discrimination that existed in previous years, without the race-based genocide for sport. I'm not deny things are screwed up there. I just feel somewhat cynical about the dramaqueen tactics employed. It reminds me of the comments shortly after 911, when people said "911 was the worst disaster in the history of mankind", "The single biggest human loss of life in a single day"    Kind of makes you want to tell people to get over themselves and get a grip on reality. As tragic as 911 was, ...there are and continue to be human and hunaitarian disasters that far outweigh it.

Of course there are far worse humanitarian disasters. But Black Africa is fucked up and South Africa is its last hope and all the Bonos and Jaguar Enterprises aren't helping. They have once last shot and with Jacob Zuma likely coming to power I think they've blown it. I say let them rot. They got rid of the British and are worse off now. Let them deal with it.

[24KT]

Of course there are far worse humanitarian disasters. But Black Africa is fucked up and South Africa is its last hope and all the Bonos and Jaguar Enterprises aren't helping. They have once last shot and with Jacob Zuma likely coming to power I think they've blown it. I say let them rot. They got rid of the British and are worse off now. Let them deal with it.

You put me in the same category as Bono.    I'm flattered.    Dju think the Queen will knight me too?
If she did, that would mean you'd have to start calling me 'Sir'.     I like the ring of that! 

[Nordic Superman]

Not to sound racist, but has any race proved themselves to be better rulers of a country than Caucasians?

[Deicide]

Not to sound racist, but has any race proved themselves to be better rulers of a country than Caucasians?

Everyone is afraid of not being PC. Fuck PC. Before the British were there, there were no books, no roads, no banks, no economy, no nothing and all the same problems they have today. Everyone, including ignorant Westerners like to blame colonialism for all the ills of Black Africa but the fact is after the blacks got hold of Rhodesia, murdering and raping their way to independence from 'white supression', they turned the country into a utter disaster zone. No, don't worry about not being PC.

[Deicide]

You put me in the same category as Bono.    I'm flattered.    Dju think the Queen will knight me too?
If she did, that would mean you'd have to start calling me 'Sir'.     I like the ring of that! 

JE, I think you are well intentioned, but on a lot of issues you live in a fantasy world, stemming from what I can only call a genuine lack of worldliness in the deepest sense of the word. I compared you with Bono because people like him provide no solutions to the problems of Africa; the problems continue in Black Africa and are made worse by his meaninless platitudes. Socialising the world and turning it into a copycat of Ontario/Canada is simply not an option. Granted I don't think you actually believe this but there is an air about you that lends itself rather readily to such thinking.

[24KT]

JE, I think you are well intentioned, but on a lot of issues you live in a fantasy world, stemming from what I can only call a genuine lack of worldliness in the deepest sense of the word. I compared you with Bono because people like him provide no solutions to the problems of Africa; the problems continue in Black Africa and are made worse by his meaninless platitudes. Socialising the world and turning it into a copycat of Ontario/Canada is simply not an option. Granted I don't think you actually believe this but there is an air about you that lends itself rather readily to such thinking.

That would be "Sir JE" to you ! thankyouverymuch! ...and don't forget to bow (deep at the knees too) 

[Tre]

Apartheid was law in South Africa for 50 years, to say nothing of what went on for an entire century prior to that.

It's unreasonable to expect everything to be 'fixed' in the decade or so since free elections were held. 

[Nordic Superman]

Fuck it, this is a pointless discussion, there's no telling these people.

They exact equals to Europeans and can operate a country just as efficiently...

[JBGRAY]

Sorry JB, as tragic as this sounds, I don't see how this policy of systemic racial discrimination "far trumps the previous evils that have beset this cursed land". If anything, it sounds a little milder than what has been par for the course in previous times. At least they are not seeing their families forcefully ripped apart, and they are not being hunted down and shot for sport.

Ah, I don't think I was entirely clear.  I was not comparing this particular form of discrimination and the current Afrikaner's plight alone to the entirety of Apartheid.  Instead, I was stating that the whole of SA is comparably worse than compared to Apartheid and the previous tribal conflicts before the Europeans arrived.  One of the highest murder rates in the world, worsening conditions for all peoples there, repossessing of productive farmland and reallocating it to squatters, ignorance and stupidity at governmental levels, it never ends.

I like to look at the solution, however, and not dwell on the problem.  Obviously, Billions in aid from predominantly Western nations has not helped much.  Reverse discrimination and a call for Reperations will not help either.  Blaming Europe and the US for it's problems is not going to help.  These appear to only pander to those who may otherwise see those as a possible solution, but is nothing more than political maneuvering.

What do we do?  I'm at a damn loss, and don't think anyone has a solution.  What would I do?  Cut off all aid.  Refuse to exploit the continent of it's natural resources, with the exception of equivalent trade between nations.  All peoples of European-descent must immediately leave and find homes elsewhere in the world.  If Africa wants to butcher itself on religious and cultural differences, let it.  Maybe after several generations the continent will wake up one day and see that mass killings, savagery, and primitive tribalism is a failed way of life and will change accordingly.

I just grow weary of all the supposed "do-gooders" who send or demand money be sent over there only do so because for the most part, it makes them feel good as individuals without wondering how and why that money sent could be damaging.  I also grow weary of the blame game for others' problems.  Hell, the West could TRIPLE it's efforts monetary-wise and you'd still have the same problems, probably even worse off.

It's damned frustrating.  I've been to Haiti several times, as well as time spent in Ecuador, Panama, and Columbia.  Again, I'm at a damn loss.  I'm almost numb to it all, and just accept that poverty and suffering is just the way it is.  Have all the Live Aid concerts you want, it will always be there.  Selfishly, the only thing I'll do is try to keep myself and close ones away from having to experience those conditions ourselves, and if it means that others will have to be kept in poverty because of it, so be it. 

[powerpack]

Apartheid was law in South Africa for 50 years, to say nothing of what went on for an entire century prior to that.

It's unreasonable to expect everything to be 'fixed' in the decade or so since free elections were held. 

Even though things have stabilised after the initial anarchy following the 1994 election things are definitely worse and not better
Only a small black elite is gaining anything out of the new South Africa
South Africa is now PC but...................
Roads have fallen apart, what once where world class hospitals don't work anymore, harbors and rail system that was also world class is a joke, what once was the most powerfull army in Africa is now also a 3rd world comedy.
The trouble is white apathy and black arrogance.
After 1994 having a laborer all of  sudden being appointed manager of a harbor or a hospital because he or she was a good brother or sister in the struggle was the norm.
Even now political appointments take place above all else and to the detriment of all else!
The government runs the TV stations and the only independent one is openly anti white with their news broad casts.
If a white person says "boo" to a black it makes national news, but white people being murdered, raped,robbed assaulted by black people who view white people a legitimate targets, it is kept out of the news.
NGOs that are meant to protect people from racism are openly not interested when the victims are white.
The world had a lot to say when Zimbabwe and South Africa was ruled by whites with there systems, but now that the shoe is on the other foot and black racism is epidemic the world does not say anything.
Even the great powers of Europe seem scared of Robert Mugabe.
And the African countries who had so much to say as well now defend what is happening nothing but hypocrisy LOL

[Deicide]

Even though things have stabilised after the initial anarchy following the 1994 election things are definitely worse and not better
Only a small black elite is gaining anything out of the new South Africa
South Africa is now PC but...................
Roads have fallen apart, what once where world class hospitals don't work anymore, harbors and rail system that was also world class is a joke, what once was the most powerfull army in Africa is now also a 3rd world comedy.
The trouble is white apathy and black arrogance.
After 1994 having a laborer all of  sudden being appointed manager of a harbor or a hospital because he or she was a good brother or sister in the struggle was the norm.
Even now political appointments take place above all else and to the detriment of all else!
The government runs the TV stations and the only independent one is openly anti white with their news broad casts.
If a white person says "boo" to a black it makes national news, but white people being murdered, raped,robbed assaulted by black people who view white people a legitimate targets, it is kept out of the news.
NGOs that are meant to protect people from racism are openly not interested when the victims are white.
The world had a lot to say when Zimbabwe and South Africa was ruled by whites with there systems, but now that the shoe is on the other foot and black racism is epidemic the world does not say anything.
Even the great powers of Europe seem scared of Robert Mugabe.
And the African countries who had so much to say as well now defend what is happening nothing but hypocrisy LOL

They're not afraid of Mugabe. He is a thug to be sure but the European powers of old don't care; even now in Zimbabwe they want the UK to come back and take the reigns; they fucked up, they should clean it up. As for South Africa, all I can say is Zuma=give me my machine gun.