50 lb gain - Can he accomplish without steroids?

[beatmaster]

and 15lbs in a year is pushing it unless you are a newbie to lifting

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[Bast000]

This guy wants to gain 50 lbs of muscle to get from around 165-170 lbs right now to 215 - 220 lbs at 5'11''.  Think he can do it without steroids?  He says he has gotten to 200 muscled pounds in the past, so this would be an added 15-20 lbs beyond his personal best.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/health-fitness/14232-bodybuilding-journal-my-quest-gain-50lbs-muscle.html

I didn't read 50lbs of muscle in his post.  Sure he can gain 50lbs but most will be fat and water.

[Cleanest Natural]

50 pounds is almost unattainable naturally, if you've been training and dieting for years already.  So, the chances of me being 250lbs lean...better chance of playing in the NBA.  I'll probably only get to 215lbs very lean...maybe, in a few years.

so u are saying that the 50 lbs u have on u are not natural ?

[Nordic Beast]

so u are saying that the 50 lbs u have on u are not natural ?

this little hypocrite has admitted to juicing before Sev--------why do you think he is so critical of it, he's the typical tribal arm band tattoo having douchebag who thinks he's going to be Mr O after a cycle and when it doesnt happen he condemns every other juicer out of jealousy and spite.

[Croatch]

Quote from: Croatch on January 09, 2008, 03:38:14 PM
50 pounds is almost unattainable naturally, if you've been training and dieting for years already.  So, the chances of me being 250lbs lean...better chance of playing in the NBA.  I'll probably only get to 215lbs very lean...maybe, in a few years.

so u are saying that the 50 lbs u have on u are not natural ?

If you have been training consistent for years and dieting, yes, 50lbs would be almost impossible naturally to put on top of that.  I gained 50lbs in a year with zero drugs because my diet was horrid before and I took 2 years off entirely from lifting.  So, when I radically changed my diet and went back to the gym, there was some muscle memory, but more so, the calorie differential was huge.  The biggest I had been before shrinking to 150lbs was only 185 maybe, naturally.
If someone paid me a million dollars to gain 25lbs lean pounds now in 2 years, I think it would be almost impossible naturally.  Everyone plateaus and it would be unrealistic to think you'll gain 10lbs of lean mass per year, if you already have everything in place...no missed meals, no missed workouts, etc.  If you're just sitting on your ass eating very little, there is obviously more to be gained because you're coming from nothing to something.

[Cleanest Natural]

this little hypocrite has admitted to juicing before Sev--------why do you think he is so critical of it, he's the typical tribal arm band tattoo having douchebag who thinks he's going to be Mr O after a cycle and when it doesnt happen he condemns every other juicer out of jealousy and spite.

U MIGHT BE  right on the money...I just don't understand the hypocrisy.

[David Puddy]

OnlyMe adds 50lbs after diner..no big deal

50lb of what?

[Croatch]

this little hypocrite has admitted to juicing before Sev--------why do you think he is so critical of it, he's the typical tribal arm band tattoo having douchebag who thinks he's going to be Mr O after a cycle and when it doesnt happen he condemns every other juicer out of jealousy and spite.

Another fan.
First, know what you're talking about, before spewing garbage.  I tried some gear for 2 months almost 15 years back when I was 18 years old, basically a dumb kid.  You live and learn and realize that it's for guys who basically can't hack it naturally, believe me, I see it every day.  I didn't even know who Mr. Olympia was back in 1994 and I didn't intend on becoming Mr. O through a cycle.
Trying something as a kid for a few months vs. being a 2nd rate lifetime juicer reliant on drugs for gains, are two very different things.
People have little heart in gyms today.  First thing I think when I leave is, what a bunch of complete losers.  No faith, no heart, and lastly, no great gains, despite epic drug use.  Of course, there are a very small percentage who bust their ass and actually look good, but oh, so few.  Face it, steroids...the consolation prize to trying natural bodybuilding....and falling on your fucking face....BOOM!

[vonraider]

I managed to gain 55lbs. naturally before starting gear, but it took a loooong time!

[dantelis]

I didn't read 50lbs of muscle in his post.  Sure he can gain 50lbs but most will be fat and water.

The title of his post is "My Quest To Gain 50lbs of Muscle."  Though he doesn't say that in the text of his post, his title says it all.

[Croatch]

I managed to gain 55lbs. naturally before starting gear, but it took a loooong time!

Congratulations, few attain even 20lbs naturally.  So, in this case, it's obviously not needed for you to make great gains.  Usually, my problem with 95% of juicers, they never do anything without their magic pills and needles.  People can say what they will, but that's how it is.  It's a losers mentality.

[Cleanest Natural]

Congratulations, few attain even 20lbs naturally.  So, in this case, it's obviously not needed for you to make great gains.  Usually, my problem with 95% of juicers, they never do anything without their magic pills and needles.  People can say what they will, but that's how it is.  It's a losers mentality.

U OBVIOUSLY USE/USED...STOPBEING THE MORALIST WOLF...OR BETTER stfu..i'm calling u out

[Knives]

50 lbs of pure muscle if even possible naturally would take many, many years

[Croatch]

U OBVIOUSLY USE/USED...STOPBEING THE MORALIST WOLF...OR BETTER stfu..i'm calling u out

This has nothing to do with morals.  It just keep it real by stating the obvious, people who use gear 9/10x, can't do jack shit without it.  It's a consolation prize for not being able to ball up and train naturally.  This is just a harsh fact in gyms across America, I see it every day.  The best are the guys who use every excuse in the book for juicing.  I'm waiting for one to tell me, "I juice because I tried naturally bodybuilding and realize, it was just too hard for me."  Man up and let's call it for what it is, a shortcut, nothing more.  Unless you're competing for an Olympia title next year, it's really not needed...for those who can accomplish something without...98% of the time.

[240 is Back]

i respect steroid users because they are making sacrifices.

Just like with nutrition (sacrificing junk food and forcing yourself to repeatedly eat boring food.)

Just like with training (making yourself train hard and smart consistently for years)

Just like with sleep (skipping parties and PS3 to go to bed early).

Users take risks that non-users will not.  Legal, health, social, etc.  They pay a price we're not willing to pay, in order to progress their body to its highest possible level.  It's only 'cheating' if they enter a natural show.  If you use and just train for the gym, why shouldn't you use?  It's your body, much as if you drink, smoke, eat cheeseburgers, etc.

[Rimbaud]

i respect steroid users because they are making sacrifices.

Just like with nutrition (sacrificing junk food and forcing yourself to repeatedly eat boring food.)

Just like with training (making yourself train hard and smart consistently for years)

Just like with sleep (skipping parties and PS3 to go to bed early).

Users take risks that non-users will not.  Legal, health, social, etc.  They pay a price we're not willing to pay, in order to progress their body to its highest possible level.  It's only 'cheating' if they enter a natural show.  If you use and just train for the gym, why shouldn't you use?  It's your body, much as if you drink, smoke, eat cheeseburgers, etc.

Interesting perspective Rob.

[Noel Fuller]

no

[sinbad]

It's doable, but as others have pointed out, it will take a long time, like 15yrs.

[240 is Back]

Interesting perspective Rob.

thanks man.  i'll prob never use them cause i wanna live to be 100.  But those who do take them aren't cheaters - they's sacrificers.

[Knives]

thanks man.  i'll prob never use them cause i wanna live to be 100.  But those who do take them aren't cheaters - they's sacrificers.

how do you figure AAS will take any years off of your life?  I'm talking moderate use, not extreme like pros do

[Captain Equipoise]

Almost anyone can gain 50 pounds.  The real question is how much of that 50 will be muscle and how much will be fat.

bingo!

[SteelePegasus]

50lb of what?

lean musle mass 

[Croatch]

i respect steroid users because they are making sacrifices.

Just like with nutrition (sacrificing junk food and forcing yourself to repeatedly eat boring food.)

Just like with training (making yourself train hard and smart consistently for years)

Just like with sleep (skipping parties and PS3 to go to bed early).

Users take risks that non-users will not.  Legal, health, social, etc.  They pay a price we're not willing to pay, in order to progress their body to its highest possible level.  It's only 'cheating' if they enter a natural show.  If you use and just train for the gym, why shouldn't you use?  It's your body, much as if you drink, smoke, eat cheeseburgers, etc.

Oh man, where do I begin on this one.  That's parallel to saying, I respect rapists because they're sacrificing years of their life for some pussy.  Gotta respsect...haha
I respect bank robbers because they're willing to chance 20 years in prison for a big pay day....now that is what I call amazing!!
I respect drug dealers because they chance doing life in jail, just to live the dream and not work a real job...props.
You can't be serious.  The rationalization most users will come up with are laughable.  The reason guys usually take sauce, is they don't have much of a choice.  They fall short making great gains naturally (something that takes years of consistency and dedication, which bluntly, most don't have the heart to do), so opt for the 2nd best thing, overnight gains that any assclown can achieve through enough steroid abuse.  Take enough gear for long enough...you will get bigger, it's a given, not a challenge.
Lastly, I respect cocaine users...they sacrifice their sanity and paycheck, just to feel invincible for a few hours at a time.  Just awesome stuff!!!
You're an idiot.
The dumbest post I've ever read on here.

[Captain Equipoise]

Oh man, where do I begin on this one.  That's parallel to saying, I respect rapists because they're sacrificing years of their life for some pussy.  Gotta respsect...haha
I respect bank robbers because they're willing to chance 20 years in prison for a big pay day....now that is what I call amazing!!
I respect drug dealers because they chance doing life in jail, just to live the dream and not work a real job...props.
You can't be serious.  The rationalization most users will come up with are laughable.  The reason guys usually take sauce, is they don't have much of a choice.  They fall short making great gains naturally (something that takes years of consistency and dedication, which bluntly, most don't have the heart to do), so opt for the 2nd best thing, overnight gains that any assclown can achieve through enough steroid abuse.  Take enough gear for long enough...you will get bigger, it's a given, not a challenge.
Lastly, I respect cocaine users...they sacrifice their sanity and paycheck, just to feel invincible for a few hours at a time.  Just awesome stuff!!!
You're an idiot.
The dumbest post I've ever read on here.

Dude, you're messed..I'm going to bring up the same point I've brought up a million times with you..
you can A) Ride a bicycle to work , or B) A comfortable car ... you prefer the bicycle because to you it's all about personal challenege. But most people aren't as simpleminded as you, most prefer the comfortable , safe, car where you just lean back and press a pedal.

It's all good that you're on this personal-challenge crusade, but for fuck's sake lay off the people that prefer the easy road, not everyone feels like struggling to make minscule gains that you'll lose if you miss one meal or workout, some people like things to come easy to them

[David Puddy]

lean musle mass 

This is bogus man.