HOW LONG DOES THE USA HAVE ?

[Eldon]

HOW LONG DOES THE USA HAVE ?


This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming. I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting and concerning to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.


How Long Do We Have?


About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:


'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'


'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'


'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'


'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'


'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:


1. From bondage to spiritual faith;


2. From spiritual faith to great courage;


3. From courage to liberty;


4. From liberty to abundance;


5. From abundance to complacency;


6. From complacency to apathy;


7. From apathy to dependence;


8. From dependence back into bondage'

[OzmO]

what makes you think things are so bad?

[240 is Back]

the world is always ending.  The end is always near.  things are always about to collapse. The sky is alwyas falling.

In the 60s, we all feared russian nukes landing in our yard, we built bomb shelters.  In the early 80s, I recall bomb drills where we went to school's basement and hid under our hands to protect from fallout.

If/when the world ends, then the naysayers will be right.  Since we'll all be dead, it won't matter who's right or wrong. 

Also, the USA is #1 in the world, the only superpower.  So even if things do fall a bit, we'll still be top 5 and living better than 98% of the world.

[OzmO]

the world is always ending.  The end is always near.  things are always about to collapse. The sky is alwyas falling.

In the 60s, we all feared russian nukes landing in our yard, we built bomb shelters.  In the early 80s, I recall bomb drills where we went to school's basement and hid under our hands to protect from fallout.

If/when the world ends, then the naysayers will be right.  Since we'll all be dead, it won't matter who's right or wrong. 

Also, the USA is #1 in the world, the only superpower.  So even if things do fall a bit, we'll still be top 5 and living better than 98% of the world.

Yep.

Japan thought we were too complacent to go to war in 1941.

Are there those who are thinking the same thing now?  I'm sure there are.

[youandme]

the world is always ending.  The end is always near.  things are always about to collapse. The sky is alwyas falling.

In the 60s, we all feared russian nukes landing in our yard, we built bomb shelters.  In the early 80s, I recall bomb drills where we went to school's basement and hid under our hands to protect from fallout.

If/when the world ends, then the naysayers will be right.  Since we'll all be dead, it won't matter who's right or wrong. 

Also, the USA is #1 in the world, the only superpower.  So even if things do fall a bit, we'll still be top 5 and living better than 98% of the world.

You've failed to validate our Russian counterparts, we were actually in control of the situation the whole time.

We don't control the middle east anymore.

Top 5, and do you know what that means? A China or a India dictating our election results, and controlling our government.

No thanks, the only place for the USA is at # 1

To even think it's ok for the US to slip, is a insult. No longer can people stick their heads in the sand and not fathom to realize what Bush has done to the economy.

While Bush is making personal gain, our country is suffering from HIM not making the contracts with Syria, Malaysia, and Sudan to secure us oil. while India has a 25 year right deal with malaysia with all oil, China helping to build the pipeline, China signing the trade aggreement with Pakistan.......places where we should have been dotting the line, China and India took over.

We can handle Brazil, we can soothe Russia, but India won't even accept our genetic rice, and only 8% of the total pop has a job with the real sector (pays taxes...the IT sector, making up 3% of the 8% while the other percent is government jobs)

No thanks. USA all the way, we should now more than any other country that there is only room for number 1. And that must and will remain us, if we start making the right moves again...like China

Hillary will be president for 8 years, and I think she will get us back on a decent track.

[youandme]

do you not know, that even hungari (poorer country than india) wont side with the US on the Iran nuclear energy deal?

They won't even side with us on the india nuclear sell of plants....we don't have the right people at the wheel not to even mention working on the car.

[Deicide]

Neo-Con philosophy concerning debt: debt does not matter.

[youandme]

Neo-Con philosophy concerning debt: debt does not matter.

No they think it does matter, but they feel that they will use the central banking system and just print out more money to cover the costs, all th while they are printing out a weaker and weaker dollar, with no gold to back this dollar up...


what we the public dont know is the us actualy has more gold in the world , hidden deep beneth the rocky mountains, near NORAD.

[Slapper]

Too bad we're not a democracy.

[trab]

How Long? Longer than  any W Europe country, thats for sure.

[240 is Back]

bush doubled debt from 4.5 tril to 9 tril, and all his friends got rich.

the US owns 80% of the 50 to 75 tril worth of oil under Iraq.

4.5 tril borrowed to own a limited resource worth 40 to 60 tril dollars.

what CEO would turn down that investment? 1000 to 1500% return on investment, using OPM (china's money).  Plus you hold monopoly on large chunk of world's limited resource.

[JBGRAY]

The USA will be here, but either in some Balkanized entity or forced into the NAU.  Our present course is not a good one in the realms of immigration, the economy, government, and societal. 

- Rapidly sinking dollar.  Fiat money policies have ALL failed after time.

- Classism within the US military.  No longer are people enlisting to fight for Flag and Country(not all, but many).  They now fight for college benefits, job skills, and money.  Enlistees of today makeup a minority population percentage greater than what is reflected in the actual US population.  There are record amounts of non-citizens now serving.  The Officer Corps are still comprised predominantly of white, middle to upper middle class background, and educated at a formal university.

- We talk about Corporatism a lot.  But what about identity groups that have at one point in the past served in a meaningful way, but now thrive and make millions off of perceived and actual injustices?  In essence, groups such as the NAACP, La Raza, the SPLC, GLAAD, PETA, the Urban League, ADL, MECHA are pretty much corporations now with rank and file bureaucracies.

- Crippling bureacracy within our own government, making decisions even more ineffectual and drawn out. 

- US-based corporations that do not care about national sovereignity.  As a former Ford executive stated "We are only an American company when it benefits us."  That says a lot.

- Free Trade(NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, etc...) have helped turn the US into a Service-based economy filled with wage-slavers.  These policies have also not benefited Third-World nations either.  In fact, corporations helped to enable this due to the fact that they can operate without being under the confines of EPA standards and Unions.  Basically, they can pollute at will and pay workers a meager sum without health benefits.

- Mass immigration, both legal and illegal.  At no time throughout the world's history has a nation undergone such a change in ethnic and cultural makeup.  This has helped create severe strains on our safety nets and other social programs, as well as contribute to the rise of very powerful identity groups.

- Adherence to the tenets of multiculturalism and diversity.  These are not strengths, but weaknesses and ideas that have caused tens of millions of deaths in our history.  Japan, China, India, and Russia all seem to be doing quite well without this injected into the psyche of every individual and institution.  The great industries of the US and Europe's rise to modern Western Civilization was done without this.  So why is it now that diversity and multiculturalism are being forced down our collective throats in just the US, Europe, and Australia?

So, yes, the sky is falling and has been for a time.  It just takes time to reach the bottom is all.