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Re: Interesting Article
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2008, 03:14:16 PM »
there are different degrees of theories, there is too much evidence pointing to evolution.  Way too much.  Take humans for example:

1.   Male nipples.  whats the point?

2.   Tale bones?  remnants from being apes,  why don't we have tails?  We no longer needed them and edvolved away from them and now the only thing that remains is the tail bone.

3.  Wisdom teeth.  Before we started hunting with tools and fire, we ate primarily veggies.  We needed more molars for this, but since we have evolved and starting hunting and eating meat and beggies now we don't need them but they still exsits.

4.  body hair....what's the point if it's not thick for insulation?  We have it becuase it's part of our mammal ancestry

5.   Goose bumps......for puffing up fur like your cat does in the winter to keep warm, only that we discovered fire along with clothing ourselves and we evolved out of hairy bodies like apes.

6.  here's a big one,  if we are unique in the sense that God created us in his own image why then are we 98% ape in our DNA?  Shouldn't we be a separate and distinct species?

I'm with you.  i believe in god, but i don;lt see why God cannot create through evolution.....Imperfect as it is, life still goes on and evolves.

soon, well in a few thousands of years, we will have cross bred so much we will be one race.

There are a significant number of questions that make the theory implausible as well. 

Hey to each his own.  I don't fault you are anyone for having a different opinion. 

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Re: Interesting Article
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2008, 03:22:53 PM »
There are a significant number of questions that make the theory implausible as well. 

Hey to each his own.  I don't fault you are anyone for having a different opinion. 

post some up.  I'd like to see some and read some reactions to them.

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Re: Interesting Article
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2008, 03:29:05 PM »
post some up.  I'd like to see some and read some reactions to them.

I've posted plenty.  Still working my way through the book.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=179381.0

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Re: Interesting Article
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2008, 03:30:09 PM »
Actually, I should back up and say I don't have a theory.  I have a belief.  And if you're asking for scientific "evidence" in support of my belief, I don't have any.  It's not necessarily a scientific belief and I'm not a scientist.  I really don't know how the people who believe that God created us all have attempted to prove this scientifically.  I haven't read their material, websites, etc.   

OK, thanks :) But if you're ever interested, Gould's book "Rock of Ages" discusses a lot of these issues. I haven't looked much into how different scientists reconcile their faith and their science because when I was a Christian, I just had no problem with it, science was science and religion was religion. I guess I had "NonOverlapping MAgisteria" wired into my brain :)

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But I'll also say the theory of evolution has precisely the same problem when it comes to proving the origin of life.

Good job, Captain Obvious :) It's the theory of EVOLUTION!!! By definition, it's about what happens AFTER life has started!!!

You want "origin of life" theories, you won't find them in evolution!!!

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Re: Interesting Article
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2008, 11:34:37 AM »
there are different degrees of theories, there is too much evidence pointing to evolution.  Way too much.  Take humans for example:

1.   Male nipples.  whats the point?

2.   Tale bones?  remnants from being apes,  why don't we have tails?  We no longer needed them and edvolved away from them and now the only thing that remains is the tail bone.

3.  Wisdom teeth.  Before we started hunting with tools and fire, we ate primarily veggies.  We needed more molars for this, but since we have evolved and starting hunting and eating meat and beggies now we don't need them but they still exsits.

4.  body hair....what's the point if it's not thick for insulation?  We have it becuase it's part of our mammal ancestry

5.   Goose bumps......for puffing up fur like your cat does in the winter to keep warm, only that we discovered fire along with clothing ourselves and we evolved out of hairy bodies like apes.

6.  here's a big one,  if we are unique in the sense that God created us in his own image why then are we 98% ape in our DNA?  Shouldn't we be a separate and distinct species?

I'm with you.  i believe in god, but i don;lt see why God cannot create through evolution.....Imperfect as it is, life still goes on and evolves.

soon, well in a few thousands of years, we will have cross bred so much we will be one race.

Speak for YOURSELF!  :o

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Re: Interesting Article
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2008, 11:37:27 AM »
Beach, I hate to come across as a book club coordinator, always recommending books left and right :) but a few posts up I mentioned Gould's book.

There's another book you might enjoy, by Ken Miller, called "Finding Darwin's God." He is both a Christian and a respected biologist. If you like, check out some reviews on the Internet and see if you like it.

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Re: Interesting Article
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2008, 11:43:47 AM »
There are people who love science and God, ya know?   Even if they don't love God, there are those who would agree to intelligent design over the "from-goo-to-you-compliments-of-the-zoo" evolutionary thought. 

I know we won't get anywhere with this debate, so I won't try to bore you, and I confess that there's no way I can articulate God's existence or his mastery of creating the heavens and the earth.  I just thought it to be an interesting article and wanted to share and watch the verbal fists fly. 

Well, you made me think of orchids and spring, so that was a nice little segue from reality at any rate.  :)

I know there are plenty of people who reconcile evolution with their faith, there are those who don't.  But belief in God requires a belief in the supernatural, faith in the unexplainable, etc.  And at least you say that there's no way you can articulate God's existence, or his mastery of creating the heavens and earth. At least, that's honest. Anyone can create a website with visuals of animated molecules and floating planets on their homepage... doesn't give any more crediblity to content without substance.