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Their looking into cutting 74.000 workplaces or try to sort them out with redundancies...

meeh they just made 40 billion - last year.

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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 08:38:34 AM »
i work at a restaurant.

does this mean some people will start applying for the dishwasher position?  it's so hard to find people.  maybe some of those car engineers will apply.
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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 08:39:07 AM »
i work at a restaurant.

does this mean some people will start applying for the dishwasher position?  it's so hard to find people.  maybe some of those car engineers will apply.

Why don't you get yourself a mexican?

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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 08:43:28 AM »
Why don't you get yourself a mexican?

they do a lot of bussing, and dishwashing too.  hard to find them.  they're all working on mitt romney's lawn.
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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 08:52:09 AM »
they do a lot of bussing, and dishwashing too.  hard to find them.  they're all working on mitt romney's lawn.

Do they complain if you make them work more than 24 hours/day?
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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 08:53:45 AM »
Do they complain if you make them work more than 24 hours/day?

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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 08:59:45 AM »
I'm no genius but the labor unions are ruining american car companies.

Thanks to pension and retirement plans, american automakers can't make good quality cars like the japs can. They also can't improve their workforce by getting rid of old workers thanks to union deals..  :-\

Ban labor unions.

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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 09:00:32 AM »
Their looking into cutting 74.000 workplaces or try to sort them out with redundancies...

meeh they just made 40 billion - last year.

Made 40 billion?  Actually, that was how much money they lost this year:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080212/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_gm
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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2008, 09:05:12 AM »
Made 40 billion?  Actually, that was how much money they lost this year:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080212/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_gm

I said - 40 billion

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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2008, 09:05:39 AM »
I'm no genius but the labor unions are ruining american car companies.

Thanks to pension and retirement plans, american automakers can't make good quality cars like the japs can. They also can't improve their workforce by getting rid of old workers thanks to union deals..  :-\

Ban labor unions.


The problem with labor unions is they're not responsive to the market for the underlying business or product...  they think there's some invisible money tree somewhere in their company that they can just shake whenever they want.  Consequently, when market conditions change radically, as they have in the auto industry the past two decades, the companies can't adapt, have to start cutting corners somewhere to stay afloat, and end up in a death spiral thay can't get out of.

Without question, the UAW killed the American auto industry.  I hope their "power to the people/workers unite" rhetoric gives them comfort in the unemployment line.
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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2008, 09:08:10 AM »
The U.S. automakers need to re-examine their relationship with Big Oil.  Making more fuel efficient vehicles will decrease oil sales and make domestic auto brands more competitive.  

That's over-simplifying the solution, but despite what right-wing talk radio tells America, it's very important that Americans be involved in the production of the vehicles we drive.  


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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2008, 09:13:24 AM »

The problem with labor unions is they're not responsive to the market for the underlying business or product...  they think there's some invisible money tree somewhere in their company that they can just shake whenever they want.  Consequently, when market conditions change radically, as they have in the auto industry the past two decades, the companies can't adapt, have to start cutting corners somewhere to stay afloat, and end up in a death spiral thay can't get out of.

Without question, the UAW killed the American auto industry.  I hope their "power to the people/workers unite" rhetoric gives them comfort in the unemployment line.

Yeah, they negotiate salaries and incentives above what the market can pay them.

Too bad people don't understand this little problem. I mean the people who are all for unions and worker's power are the same one's whining and bitching about outsourcing and american dependence on foreign goods to the government.

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The U.S. automakers need to re-examine their relationship with Big Oil.  Making more fuel efficient vehicles will decrease oil sales and make domestic auto brands more competitive. 

They're sure as hell trying now. But it looks to be too late. It's also not just about fuel efficient cars, but about the quality of the cars, which really has nothing to do with the oil companies. American automakers sacrafice quality by bending over to labor nazis.

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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2008, 09:13:25 AM »
The U.S. automakers need to re-examine their relationship with Big Oil.  Making more fuel efficient vehicles will decrease oil sales and make domestic auto brands more competitive.  


Fuel efficiency is not high on most people's "list of factors that will influence my car-buying decision", despite the lip-service most pay to it.  People want style, quality, features, and safety...  four areas where American cars generally suck wind.
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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2008, 09:16:52 AM »
Too bad people don't understand this little problem. I mean the people who are all for unions and worker's power are the same one's whining and bitching about outsourcing and american dependence on foreign goods to the government.


Everyone should be required to take basic economics courses in high school.   (unfortunately, 2/3 are too stupid to truly understand it anyway  :().
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2008, 09:18:40 AM »

Everyone should be required to take basic economics courses in high school.   (unfortunately, 2/3 are too stupid to truly understand it anyway  :().

I blame Paki doctors for charging more than their services are worth, thus increasing the cost of health care, thus...., thus...., thus....

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2008, 09:20:27 AM »
I blame Paki doctors for charging more than their services are worth, thus increasing the cost of health care, thus...., thus...., thus....

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2008, 09:21:32 AM »

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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2008, 09:26:39 AM »
I blame Paki doctors for charging more than their services are worth, thus increasing the cost of health care, thus...., thus...., thus....


Hmmm...  I like this plan...   ignore the underlying issues, and find some scapegoat to distract the people with.  ;D


Could we use the Jews instead of the Pakis, though?  There's much historical precedent for blaming the Jews, so putting together a campaign around it would involve less work.  :D
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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2008, 09:27:38 AM »
I'm no genius but the labor unions are ruining american car companies.

Thanks to pension and retirement plans, american automakers can't make good quality cars like the japs can. They also can't improve their workforce by getting rid of old workers thanks to union deals..  :-\

Ban labor unions.

Very true!!  We started a company that is a software solution providing visibility and performance management on the shop floor. Our client base is very automotive centric, revolving around the OEM.s like Toyota,Honda, Hyundai, BMW, and even Ford, GM will not do business with us as the unions will not allow it.   They don't want their employees measured or held accountable.  They are fanatics, I've met with their entire N. American executive team and they are so focused on union responsibilities.

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2008, 09:29:34 AM »

Hmmm...  I like this plan...   ignore the underlying issues, and find some scapegoat to distract the people with.  ;D


Could we use the Jews instead of the Pakis, though?  There's much historical precedent for blaming the Jews, so putting together a campaign around it would involve less work.  :D

There's enough blame to go around........ but it's easier to distinguish Pakis from the rest of the population.

Maybe we can reach a compromise, Pakis and Sephardic Jews?  ;D

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2008, 09:31:08 AM »
There's enough blame to go around........ but it's easier to distinguish Pakis from the rest of the population.

Maybe we can reach a compromise, Pakis and Sephardic Jews?  ;D

Toss in Albanian Muslims and you've got a deal!  :D
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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2008, 10:48:31 AM »
Jews are still on top.

Certain pakis/indians are doing well.

Albanians are gangsters.

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Re: Anybodyn working for General Motors...you may not have a job soon
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2008, 05:21:39 PM »
Legacy costs, severe lack of American Economic Protectionist policies, various free trade agreements, high taxes, poor product planning(such as the mass continuation of its truck and SUV lines despite rising future crude prices), offshoring and cheap foreign labor pools, and perception of very poor quality over the years......all of which have made far greater contributions overall than the unbending labor unions.  Unions are only a part of the problem, not the sole cause of it.

The "former" Big 3 made HORRENDOUS vehicles from the late 60s up through about the early 90s.  Remember Chrysler of the 70s?  Remember, the people that make Toyotas and Hondas are not really different from those that make Ford, GM, and Chrysler.  Hell, today, the quality gap between US and Japanese vehicles is quite small....a factor so little that someone reasonable wouldn't even consider that as a factor when choosing a vehicle.  However, the perception remains that Japanese > American in quality by huge margins.  Like we all know, perception usually trumps truth. 

Japan and Europe have also instituted protectionist policies in regards to the automotive sector.  These nations look out for their industries, such as putting large tariffs on incoming imports and offering rebates on overseas sales.  The US does not, rather adhering to a Friedman-like non-protectionistic economic policy.  In this, the US suffers greatly(the "former" Big 3 companies pay a lot in taxes...when you buy a foreign vehicle, you subsidize THEIR governments...when you buy America, your money goes towards infrastructure, defense, social programs, etc...).

US companies typically give the public what it doesn't really want...and takes away what is in demand.  Evidence?  Ford was on the verge of cancelling its' Mustang line in favor of renaming it the Probe.  The Ford Taurus was removed from it's line, despite being a massively popular car(and is being reintroduced).  SUVs and large trucks were continuously being shoved down our throats, despite rapidly rising gas prices and increased demand for more fuel-efficient cars.  The introduction of large, ungainly, big-engined V8(but fun!) cars that no one was really asking for....the Ford GT, Pontiac GTO, Dodge Charger, Chevy Camaro, Dodge Challenger, SRT(v-10) Dodges, Cadillac CTS-V, Cadillac XLR.  Especially in the GM line, the various products share too many similarities with each other and are built on the same chassis.....example being the GMC Sierra and Chevy Silverado. 

Unions, which had once been responsible for thrusting the American worker into Middle-Class status to the boon of US companies, are now being diminished and obliterated in favor of globalization.