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Helios
« on: December 18, 2005, 08:36:36 AM »
i got info on this new (to me at least) product that i have never heard of and maybe some of u all have. Halios:
Helios specifically contains a mixture of clenbuterol hcl and
yohimbine hcl, a potent beta agonist and alpha antagonist
respectively. These two drugs are present in a concentration of
40mcg/mL (clenbuterol) and 5.4mg/mL (yohimbine), a balanced and
appropriately dosed mixture for bodybuilding use. Clenbuterol and
yohimbine work to promote fat loss through the same
system(androgenic), however they exert their effects through very
distinct(but complementary) mechanisms. Clenbuterol, of course, is
a potent beta-2 agoinst, which directly and strongly stimulaters
lipolysis very much in the same way as ephedrine does(though it is
more selective in its actions). Yohimbine hcl is alpha-2 receptor
antagonist, which also promotes fat loss mainly by blocking the
activity of other chemicals in the body.

Helios is a Mesotherapy medication specifically designed for the
body building community. Based on a system which was originally a
medical technique devised in 1952 by Dr Michel Pistor. Similar in
effect to phosphatidylcholine solution but without the associated
expense of this medication which is commonly used in plastic
surgery. Helios unlike phosphatidylcholine requires a frequent
injection protocol. Whereas the pharmaceutical grade
phosphatidylcholine solution, can be injected at up to 2 week
intervals, helios due to it’s clenbuterol base should be injected
at least every second day. This is not very suitable for most
cosmetic surgery patients.

Also known as “fat melt” or “Non-Surgical Fat Dissolve,”
Mesotherapy, offers the patient an alternative to surgery.
Mesotherapy is an injection therapy which can be injected into the
mesoderm which is the layer of fat under the skin. The medications
that are used in Mesotherapy melt the fat beneath the skin and
shrink the fat cells in the scarpa fascia layer - some times
resulting in a temporary tough feel to the skin local to the
injection site . The fat dissolves and, as occurs when fat is
broken down during typical weight loss, is carried through the
bloodstream and excreted by kidneys and bowel.

Mesotherapy involves injecting small amounts of medication
immediatley beneath the surface of the skin to break down the fat
and cellulite and to improve circulation and lymphatic and venous
drainage.

The mesotherapy drug HELIOS specifically contains a mixture of
clenbuterol hcl and yohimbine hcl, a potent beta agonist and alpha
antagonist respectively. These two drugs are present in a
concentration of 40mcg/mL (clenbuterol) and 5mg/mL (yohimbine).
Clenbuterol and yohimbine work to promote fat loss through the same
system (androgenic), however they exert their effects through very
distinct (but complementary) mechanisms. Clenbuterol, is a potent
beta-2 agoinst, which directly and strongly stimulates lipolysis
very much in the same way as ephedrine does. Yohimbine hcl is alpha-
2 receptor antagonist, which also promotes fat loss mainly by
blocking the activity of other chemicals in the body. The combined
effect is to explode the fat cells and release the triglicerides
into the blood stream for the body to dispose of naturally. Aerobic
exercise will increase the removal of these triglicerides by
increasing the portion of “good” cholesterol in the blood stream.
It should be noted that exercise is not totally necessary but it
will increase the rate of localised fat loss.

The combination of clenbuterol and yohimbine in helios has the
added benefit of aiding overall fat loss – something that the more
expensive phosphatidylcholine based products do not. The down side
to this is, as stated above is the frequency of administration
which is not at all suited to general cosmetic surgery practice.

Approximately 20-30 minutes post injection the patient may notice
some redness, slight bruising, or experience a stinging sensation,
but rarely are the treatments painful. These are natural
inflammatory reactions to the emulsion and dispersion of fat,
signifying the procedure is successful. Bruises are seldom. The fat
tissue is broken down by the body through natural processes and
then excreted.

Noticeable localised reductions in fat can be seen within 2 weeks
even when the injection frequency is limited to every second day.
Dramatic fat losses are possible with a daily 1 ml injection
protocol or with doses greater than 1ml every second day. Doses as
high as 5ml per day are commonly used in the body building
community. However, this is not to be recommended due to the
extreme clenbuterol related side effects that can occur at such
doses.

what do u all think? thanks in advance, i want to try this shit out.


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Re: Helios
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2005, 08:37:37 AM »
and here is how to use it:
Manual for HELIOS use.

Helios is developed by an idea from the legendary guru Dan
Duchaine. Generic Supplements is selling this extremely potent
solution on the bodybuilding market. The ingredients (Clenbuterol
and Yohimbine HCL) are forbidden in almost every country, as well
as administration via injection. This is only allowed by a doctor
or medical trained nurse. But this form of administration is also
the best way for spot reduction.

The art of spot reduction.

When you begin a diet, you may notice that you lose fat very
unevenly on your body. The areas you don't wish to concentrate your
fat loss seem to be most responsive to the restriction of calories.
On the other hand, the areas you desire to shed fat seem to be
unaffected by the diet. In women, the breasts may be shrinking,
while the lower body remains as fat as it was. In men, even if the
waist is getting smaller, the abs are not getting any more visible.
Why put your body through a tough and often unhealthy diet if
unwanted inches of fat remain? What we want is a specifically
targeted fat loss, but we are told that spot reduction is
impossible! Is this true?

Rather than an overall and even fat reduction, the weight loss will
be more "spot specific". Popular belief is that we can not spot
reduce fat. This is however a myth, because the human body does,
but unfortunately it doesn't necessarily do it in the places we
wish it to. What we have to do, is to redirect the fat destruction
in areas we want to shrink rather than everywhere else. Please
realise that your abs are not covered by that much fat. Imagine if
one could concentrate the fat loss exclusively in that particular
area. It is the same thing for the women who could easily lose
their lower body fat by strictly concentrating the fat reduction
there.

Best sites for application as mentioned above are the triceps,
"love handles", thighs, gluteus and the "saddle bags" or waist
(basically any area that has fat accumulation). These areas will
vary from person to person, though the above listed are the most
common.The fat that fails to disappear even through a strict diet
is called "stubborn fat". Typically, so called stubborn fat is
estrogenic by nature, however some people just have high numbers of
A2 receptors. The A2 receptor is highly influenced by oestrogen if
you are a women, and if you have estrogenic fat patterns you most
likely have large numbers of A2 receptors.

Yohimbine HCL

The reason why 'Yohimbine hcl' is included in Helios is that it
binds to the A2 receptor and blocks Norepinephrine(and other A2
agonist including oestrogen) from binding to, and antagonizing it
(which inhibits the release of fatty acids). It thus allows for
fatty acids to be "burned", hence the stubborn fat will be lost.
These two ingredients, Yohimbine and Clenbuterol , 'speed up' the
metabolism of the injected area and provoke a chemical reaction
that change fat cells into fatty acids, which will slip through
cell membranes and into the bloodstream to be burned. If you don't
burn the freed fatty acids through a firm aerobic workout, your
body will store them again in fatty deposits.


Side effects which may occur are loss of appetite, tremors,
dizziness, nervousness, restlessness, irregular heart beat, nausea,
excessive sweating, diarrhoea and it is also possible to experience
other complications due to the weight, or body fat percentage loss
that results from its use.
Why do we spot reduce upside down naturally?

There are two main mediators of fat mobilization. One consists of
the circulating hormones such as norepinephrine. They stumble upon
fat stores by chance, and will do little to spot reduce. By using
oral Clen, we increase the circulation of those lipolytic factors,
but we do not truly redirect spot reduction the way we wish to. The
chances are, we accentuate the spot reduction in the wrong places.
The second pathway is far more interesting. All our adipose stores
are innervated by the nervous system a bit like our muscles are. In
other words, our brain is directly related to each of our adipose
depots. Through the nervous system, the brain can then send
neurotransmitters in whatever depot it wishes. Those
neurotransmitters (epinephrine and norepinephrine) happen to be the
main direct lipolytic hormones. It means that potentially our brain
possesses the ability to allow us to spot reduce at will, by
sending fat loss mediators in very specific depots. The problem is
we do not know how to redirect our brain efforts to help us spot
reduce. This is why we spot reduce in the wrong areas: i.e. the
places the brain local efforts are the most intense versus the
places were it is the laziest.

So, if the brain does not wish to send enough fat loss hormones to
the specific areas we want to get rid of, we can do it ourselves by
locally injecting those hormones. This way, we can redirect
lipolysis where we wish to. It is now possible to spot reduce at
will! Whenever I say this, people will get over excited,  believing
that a single subcutaneous injection will immediately destroy all
the fat present. This is not the case as other anti-lipolytic
forces are also at play to prevent that. But after a month of local
injections plus a proper diet, you will clearly see that those
formerly resistant areas are not as hard to get rid of as before.
Fat loss will be more evenly distributed, which will indirectly
spare muscle mass. In effect, with a classical diet, when you have
lost most of your fat except that around the waist, what do you do?
Diet harder which translates into an intense muscle cannibalization
and a minimal eradication of the waist's fat. By using local
injections, this classical suicidal period can be avoided.

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Helios is available in 50 ml and 20 ml (1) Clean the rubber septum
of the vial with an alcohol swab and stick the needle through the
septum. Turn the vial upside down, and inject as much air as you
want to pull out, this to prevent a vacuum. Pull the top of the
needle in the fluid and pull out as much fluid as you and your
buddy need (2). Inject the fluid in a sterile container (cleaned
with alcohol too) (3), or suck the fluid directly from the big
syringe into the insulin pin, after removing the needle. Suck the
fluid into a insulin syringe (4). All individuals should use their
own pin. The pins can be stored in a tupperware box in the
refrigerator and used about three days, you'll notice it when they
become less sharp. The Helios itself should be stored in a cool
dark place too, preferably a refrigerator, as well.

How to proceed?

Idealistically, you have a training buddy or friend that wants to
loose fat the same way. The first time you use Helios is comparable
with the first time you used coffee. The active ingredient in
coffee (caffeine) gives the same effects as clenbuterol, it makes
you sweat, nervous and your heartbeat increases. This off course is
dose dependant, and each individual will be different. Your body
will quickly adapt to the use of Helios, and allow you to raise the
used doses. Start with two shots with a very low dose (we suggest 4
iu) on the same place on the left- and right side of your body. If
you handle it well, increase the dosages possibly through several
shots spread locally over the fat area. This will allow you to
cover a larger fat area with a single injection. The fat loss drugs
are more evenly spread on the "to be destroyed" area. Try to hit
different parts of the deposit each time so that every fat cell
gets abbreviated with some adipose destructor. Ideally, this should
be done first thing in the morning on an empty stomach before
aerobic training. Once you are used to it, you can drink one or two
cups of coffee between the injections and the aerobic workout. This
will amplify the effect of the Helios. Understand that the
injections will only force the local fat to leave its adipose
reserve and to pass in the blood. Fat molecules have not been
destroyed yet. The aerobic training has to take care of that (along
with the help of the night time fast). Some also use appetite
suppressants like Meridia or thyroid hormones.


Should thyroid hormones be used with Clen?

Animal studies have shown that the effect of Clenbuterol will
rapidly fade away. It was hypothesized that the rapid beta receptor
down regulation was the cause of this. As thyroid hormones are one
of the regulators of those beta receptors, their use while on Clen
has been suggested in order to prevent the receptor down
regulation. I think this is a mistake! Serious (non-natural)
bodybuilders are on thyroid medications most of the year so they
are not concerned by this issue. But what about health conscious
drug users? Should they stack Clen and thyroid hormones for greater
effectiveness? It is true that in order to get lean fast, this is a
cheap and very effective stack. But as you stop those drugs, you
will have a hard time retaining your lean condition. This makes it
a very short term solution. I do not know how rumours of
Clenbuterol shutting down the users thyroid got started, or why
scientific research was ignored on that point. Clenbuterol (and
most beta agonist) tends to increase (not decrease) thyroid
activity which is good. So there is no need for exogenous thyroid
while on Clen for most dieters. On the other hand, in the United
States T3 is used by countless bodybuilders, fitness queens and
models, they use this thyroid gland hormone the whole year round in
high doses. They become dependant, which can mean the rest of their
lives a supplementation of T3 will be necessary. This is because
through the high and long use, their endogenous production falls
back to almost nothing. Therefore it is better to use T3 only for a
short time. With a daily dose of only 12.5 mcg per day women and
newbie's can raise their metabolisms, burning fat for 3 months at
least, even in combination with Helios. At 50-100 mcg per day you
come to the dose that much heavier bodybuilders use. It is of the
largest interest that the quantity is carefully increased at the
beginning, and decreased when you want to stop.

The thermogenic response is measured with a thermometer, before and
after Helios administration.

Ketotifen

Ketotifen is also a anti-asthma drug. Ketotifen keeps the receptors
that Clenbuterol couples intact. The effect of clen would normally
become insensitive within two weeks. So as a result of the
Ketotifen being present, not only would one be able to use
clenbuterol for longer periods, a dosage of 30% less than normal
would suffice. Moreover one would suffer less of side effects ie
like tremors, sweating, dizziness etc. Some athletes have
discovered that a quantity of 10 milligrams will make them sleepy
and dull. The high dose of Ketotifen made many athletes too dull to
train properly, and that 3-4 milligrams is enough. Ketotifen
amplifies the effect. A bit like melatonin, alcohol and sleeping
pills, it is used as a sleep aid in higher doses.Pharmaceutical
companies sell Keto in dosages of 1 milligram per tab. A confessed
compound is ' Zaditen '.

Some people complain about little knots underneath their skin in
the former fatty deposits. These knots will disappear after some
time. You can amplify this by using a tanning bed, a sauna or a
good massage. This is also good for the extra skin that will come
after the fat has melted away underneath. Also drink lots of water
after, and during your workouts, as well as during, and before
everything you eat. It will suppress your appetite and clear your
body of excess waste products from the burned fatty acids.
Some users told us they used a sauna belt during workout and/or the
abs-tronic (5).

i know alot of info but let me know what u all think. thanks again!


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Re: Helios
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 09:21:03 AM »
Not really sure I trust these guys......They tell you to re-use the pin....up to 3 times.  I dont like this at all.

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Re: Helios
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2005, 10:28:29 AM »
but from what ive read doing sub-Q, its less risk of infection, if anything its just using a dull needle, and u cant take a slin needle off. more input is highly appriciated!


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Re: Helios
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2005, 01:59:49 PM »
but from what ive read doing sub-Q, its less risk of infection, if anything its just using a dull needle, and u cant take a slin needle off. more input is highly appriciated!

As long as you are using your own pin for sub-q injections it's fine by me.  As far as the product, it seems more applicable to pro bodybuilders rather than recreational users.




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Re: Helios
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2005, 03:38:18 PM »
As long as you are using your own pin for sub-q injections it's fine by me.  As far as the product, it seems more applicable to pro bodybuilders rather than recreational users.




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Re: Helios
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2005, 03:46:12 PM »
Well I can tell you one thing from personal experience...That transdermal application of yohimbe HCL is the shit for fat loss. I love Avant Labs brand Lipoderm Y for cutting.  This particular gel delivers a time released yohimbe solution that works locally. Meaning it works the area where it’s applied.However; if you have like 15% bodyfat.I wouldn’t waste my time with Yohimbe,
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Re: Helios
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2005, 09:27:05 AM »
i juts found out that helios are in the "anabolics 04 & 05" so i know theyre legit but has anyone had any experience with this type of fat burning agaent?


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Re: Helios
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2005, 10:37:59 AM »
cost $$$$$ a ton

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Re: Helios
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2005, 11:30:51 AM »
ON THAT WHOLE PIN ISSUE,I LEARNED FROM A REHAB COUNSELOR (FUNNY) HOW TO PROPERLY CLEAN AND REUSE PINS.THEY TEACH JUNKIES SO THEY MINIMIZE THE RISK OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES BEING SPREAD.

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Re: Helios
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2006, 02:25:18 PM »
To me it sounds wat too good to be true. Has anyone tried it yet?

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Re: Helios
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2006, 07:16:12 PM »
helios is made by generic supplements- udtch UGL gear- its injectable clen and yopnhimbine if im correct and from the people that I know who have used it its not to great painfull to shoot.

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Re: Helios
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2006, 08:19:20 AM »
I tried Helios 2 times and liked the results. Its true that sometime shots are painfull but for me this was not a big deal.

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Re: Helios
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2008, 08:47:17 PM »
does anybody have a source for the helios, is so message me!
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Re: Helios
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2008, 10:47:48 AM »
i know a high level comp that used to use helios for precontest. inject into love handles before cardio and boooom, good by fat.

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Re: Helios
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2008, 05:36:05 PM »
all i could get was liquid clen(non-injectable) and take yohimbe hcl orally
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