how would u stack these...

[whitecamaross]

i finished my last shot of sustanon 250 today. I had been doing 1000mg of sustanon 250 for 10 weeks now. i am up to 240lbs and i stand 6'1 tall. i am ready to start cutting down in weight and getting  hard, quality muscle. I currently have the following:

2 bottles of trenbolone 100mg (10 shots each)
100 pills of anavar (10mg)
1 bottle of test enanthate 300mg (10 shots)
100 pills of clenbuterol  (40mcg each)

how would u stack these and for how long? i was thinking of starting trenbolone every other day and doing only one shot of test enanthate 300 per week. The anavar i was thinking of doing 50 mg per day for 5 weeks (ill need another 100 pills) and the clenbuterol starting with 40 per day until i work my way up to perhaps 80 mcg per day (doing a three day on and three off rotation).
what do you guys think? i would like to get everyone's input...

[candidizzle]

i think what you outlined is right on the money. i would however wait to use the anavar untill the last 2 weeks of the injections, and run it 3 weeks past the end of the cycle.

[whitecamaross]

is there a particular reason why? i thought the anavar with the tren would give insane amounts of hardness and strength when done together..

[candidizzle]

is there a particular reason why? i thought the anavar with the tren would give insane amounts of hardness and strength when done together..

i think it would probably make recovery easier and let you hold onto a little bit of what you gain if you do it that way

[Emmortal]

You don't want to be running Anavar after your last injections, 3 weeks is when you start PCT and contrary to some belief, Var is suppressive and will keep you shut down.  It's not something you want to be running into PCT at all.  You could just run the var the last 3 weeks of the cycle instead of running after your injections.

[candidizzle]

You don't want to be running Anavar after your last injections, 3 weeks is when you start PCT and contrary to some belief, Var is suppressive and will keep you shut down.  It's not something you want to be running into PCT at all.  You could just run the var the last 3 weeks of the cycle instead of running after your injections.

  i knew anavar was suppressive.   but isnt there a difference between being suppressive and shutting you down completely?.. i mean, if you can run a oral while your body is adjusting... sur eyoull be supppressed, but i think pct might be easier from a suppressed state than from a shutdown state. and not only that... but i have been thinking... those last three weeks after your last injection.. all you aas levels will be dropping..  youll probably lose some size the last week or two before pct..   a suppressive oral could stop that from occuring before pct..??

just soemhing i have been thinking about,

[Emmortal]

The whole point of going into PCT is to return the body to homeostasis you can't do this by running an oral.  With a long ester like test e you still have a large amount of hormones floating around in your body for weeks after your last injection. Adding an oral to that just extends the period of time you have to wait to start PCT. 

[candidizzle]

but if an orals half life is only 1 or 2 days then cant you cut it out 2 or 3 days before you want to start the pct (like3 weeks past last injection), an then you will have same ability to recover as if you didnt run an oral but yet you have better physique at time of pct because of running an oral?

[Emmortal]

The amount you loose between the last inject and the time you start PCT isn't significant enough to warrant that.  You still have a lot of hormones running in your system and again, running an oral just offsets that even more.  Just because the half life is only 1-2 days there's a buildup time that occurs as well and when you reach time for PCT you want to be as close to homeostasis as possible.  I think you are worrying too much about loosing gains when you really shouldn't be.

[Tapeworm]

The amount you loose between the last inject and the time you start PCT isn't significant enough to warrant that.  You still have a lot of hormones running in your system and again, running an oral just offsets that even more.  Just because the half life is only 1-2 days there's a buildup time that occurs as well and when you reach time for PCT you want to be as close to homeostasis as possible.  I think you are worrying too much about loosing gains when you really shouldn't be.

Didn't Trab used to recommend running short orals after the last shot and stopping them before PCT?  I think var has a half life of 8 hours, so I doubt it would be supressive past 2 days.  That's a lot shorter wait than 2+ weeks.  Are you just worried about supression Emmortal, or are there other concerns like optimal liver health, etc, to aid recovery?

I'm going to try to get some prop or suspension for end cycle and I'll probably leave the var out.

[4thAD]

homeostasis is the idea, getting back to normal! Running orals while your trying to get the hormones out of your system just prolongs this process. The half life of a certain oral might be short, but as hormone levels fall your recovery process begins. Forget about all the drug use sometimes less = more. If you want to run a short ester test towards the end of your cycle, or an oral towards the end to keep strength up thats OK. I would not recommend using an oral after last injection of long ester before starting PCT I think it would just prolong recovery that much more.

[Arnold jr]

Candy, the only reason to do what you're saying is if you weren't really coming off in the first place, i.e. bridging.

Now in the past I've run cycles where at the end I'd switch my test from a long ester to a short the last 4wks or so and run an oral up to the end along with it, usually winny tabs, but this is differant then what you're saying. Even so, it's not a bad way to do things...a lot of guys do this and do so with success. Personally, I don't really do this anymore but it doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

[candidizzle]

cool guys,  i appreciate all the responses while i was gone.

[Van_Bilderass]

The amount you loose between the last inject and the time you start PCT isn't significant enough to warrant that.  You still have a lot of hormones running in your system and again, running an oral just offsets that even more.  Just because the half life is only 1-2 days there's a buildup time that occurs as well and when you reach time for PCT you want to be as close to homeostasis as possible.  I think you are worrying too much about loosing gains when you really shouldn't be.

What oral has that long a half-life? The most common orals are pretty much out of the system in a day or so. The idea with orals is to keep gaining until the very last day of the cycle, when you have calculated that the injects are out of the system. When you stop the oral you are in an low-androgenic state if you will pretty much immediately. Then you can start to recover with PCT drugs.

[Emmortal]

What oral has that long a half-life? The most common orals are pretty much out of the system in a day or so. The idea with orals is to keep gaining until the very last day of the cycle, when you have calculated that the injects are out of the system. When you stop the oral you are in an low-androgenic state if you will pretty much immediately. Then you can start to recover with PCT drugs.

Sorry, I was just quoting him and not paying attention =)

[whitecamaross]

so i guess the way i had originally planned it was correct? i started today... everything...

[candidizzle]

so i guess the way i had originally planned it was correct? i started today... everything...

lol

do your thing then dude