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Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« on: August 16, 2007, 12:28:39 PM »
So the guy was a criminal afterall.  

Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
    
MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- The jury in the Jose Padilla terror trial has found the American guilty of conspiracy to support Islamic terrorism overseas.

Jose Padilla was originally accused of planning a "dirty bomb" attack in the U.S.

Padilla was originally arrested on accusations that he planned to set off radioactive "dirty bombs" in the United States. Thursday's convictions are not related to those accusations, and prosecutors did not present the "dirty bomb" plot to the jury.

Padilla's two co-defendants, Adham Hassoun and Kifan Jayyousi, were also found guilty on the three counts as charged: conspiracy to murder, kidnap, and maim people in a foreign country; conspiracy to provide material support for terrorists, and providing material support for terrorists.

The verdict came after less than two days of deliberations by the federal jury in Miami.

Sentencing is set for December 5. All three defendants face life in prison.

Padilla pleaded not guilty. At his trial, defense attorneys argued Padilla went overseas only to study Islam.

After the decision was announced, Padilla's mother, Estella Lebron, told CNN her son will appeal the verdict.

"I'm not surprised by anything in this place anymore," she said. "This is a Republican city."

The verdict is a "critical vindication" for the U.S. Department of Justice and its post-9/11 strategy for prosecuting terrorism cases, said Kendall Coffey, former U.S. attorney in Miami who comments on legal matters for CNN.

"I think this is huge for DOJ," he said, "given the case's background of controversy and the government's mixed results in other (terror) trials."

He said the verdict also raises questions about whether military tribunals are necessary.

"Critics of the post-9/11 war on terrorism can point to this and say you don't need military tribunals, you can get the job done with civilian trials," Coffey said.

During the trial, prosecutors played more than 70 intercepted phone calls among the defendants for jurors, including seven that featured Padilla, 36. He is a Brooklyn-born convert to Islam.

FBI agent John Kavanaugh testified that the calls were made in code, which Padilla used to discuss traveling overseas to fight with Islamic militants, along with side trips to Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

In closing arguments, Padilla's lawyers argued he never spoke in code. His voice is heard on only seven of 300,000 taped conversations.  

They also tried to rebut a key piece of prosecution evidence -- an al Qaeda terrorist training camp application or "mujahedeen data form."

A covert CIA officer -- who testified in disguise at Padilla's trial -- said he was given the form in Afghanistan, and a fingerprint expert found Padilla's prints on the form, prosecutors said.

But Michael Caruso, Padilla's defense attorney, said the prints on the form were not consistent with someone who filled out the document.

"Jose at some point handled the document, but did not fill out the form," Caruso said.

Just as prosecutors did not present the dirty bomb plot to the jury, neither were jurors told that Padilla was held in a Navy brig for 3½ years without charges before his indictment in the Miami case.

Before trial, his lawyers tried to argue that he was no longer mentally competent to stand trial after years of solitary confinement and abuse -- allegations the government strongly denied.

Padilla was taken into custody in Chicago as he stepped off a flight from Pakistan in 2002, and President Bush declared him an "enemy combatant" and had him transferred to military custody.

The Supreme Court ducked the chance to rule on the legality of Padilla's detention in 2006, arguing that the issue was moot after his transfer to civilian custody for the Miami trial.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/16/padilla.verdict/index.html

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007, 03:45:58 PM »
Wewt  ;D


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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 09:04:39 AM »
Whether he was a criminal or not due process was not served as he was held without charges for too long.

All this could have been done 4 years ago.

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 10:07:25 AM »
Fantastico mucho!
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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 10:47:03 AM »
Whether he was a criminal or not due process was not served as he was held without charges for too long.

All this could have been done 4 years ago.

Yes they should have charged him much sooner, but it's good to know they were not detaining an innocent man. 

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 11:34:01 AM »
Yes they should have charged him much sooner, but it's good to know they were not detaining an innocent man. 
What did he do?  I seriously don't know, can't find any news that wishes to lay out the details of what they had him on?  I guess the biggest charge against him was that he made some "application" to a camp in Afghanistan?  I've watched at least a dozen reports on his guilt, none covered of what, just said he was found guilty... That's all I've heard for this guy who was like such a "huge score" for the government in the war on terror.  All I know is if he's guilty, he's not the only one who is guilty of something.  Someone in our government chose to tell us exactly what he was trying to do.  Clearly that was bullshit, I mean they wouldn't actually stand there and tell us all this dirty bomb shit without some evidence would they?  D'oh! I guess so.

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 11:42:16 AM »
Is this the biggest evidence they have on him ???

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1139837719893

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007, 12:01:05 PM »
What did he do?  I seriously don't know, can't find any news that wishes to lay out the details of what they had him on?  I guess the biggest charge against him was that he made some "application" to a camp in Afghanistan?  I've watched at least a dozen reports on his guilt, none covered of what, just said he was found guilty... That's all I've heard for this guy who was like such a "huge score" for the government in the war on terror.  All I know is if he's guilty, he's not the only one who is guilty of something.  Someone in our government chose to tell us exactly what he was trying to do.  Clearly that was bullshit, I mean they wouldn't actually stand there and tell us all this dirty bomb shit without some evidence would they?  D'oh! I guess so.

He conspired to murder, kidnap, and maim people overseas and provided material support to terrorists:

After just 11 hours of deliberation, a federal jury in Miami found Mr. Padilla and two codefendants guilty on charges of conspiracy to murder, kidnap and maim people overseas, and on charges of providing material support to terrorists. The government had accused Mr. Padilla of serving as an al Qaeda recruit, defendant Adham Amin Hassoun of recruiting for overseas jihadists and Kifah Wael Jayyousi of raising money for their cause, as the Miami Herald reports. As serious as the crimes may be, they are far less notorious than the dirty-bomb plot also alleged against Mr. Padilla by the government but deemed unfit for legal and intelligence reasons for the civilian judicial system. And Mr. Padilla's extrajudicial three and a half years incommunicado in a Navy brig stand in contrast to a case in which Mr. Jayyousi was allowed free on bond until yesterday. A juror who requested anonymity tells the Herald that Mr. Padilla was viewed as "just a small pawn in this thing. He was guilty -- believe me. But there were much bigger people involved."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118733195416700818.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007, 12:13:29 PM »
He conspired to murder, kidnap, and maim people overseas and provided material support to terrorists:

After just 11 hours of deliberation, a federal jury in Miami found Mr. Padilla and two codefendants guilty on charges of conspiracy to murder, kidnap and maim people overseas, and on charges of providing material support to terrorists. The government had accused Mr. Padilla of serving as an al Qaeda recruit, defendant Adham Amin Hassoun of recruiting for overseas jihadists and Kifah Wael Jayyousi of raising money for their cause, as the Miami Herald reports. As serious as the crimes may be, they are far less notorious than the dirty-bomb plot also alleged against Mr. Padilla by the government but deemed unfit for legal and intelligence reasons for the civilian judicial system. And Mr. Padilla's extrajudicial three and a half years incommunicado in a Navy brig stand in contrast to a case in which Mr. Jayyousi was allowed free on bond until yesterday. A juror who requested anonymity tells the Herald that Mr. Padilla was viewed as "just a small pawn in this thing. He was guilty -- believe me. But there were much bigger people involved."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118733195416700818.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
What's the evidence or are we not allowed to know?  I'm not trying to defend him, just curious in light of a government that has pretty much lied their asses off on one thing after another.  I would just like to know in general what they have on him?  Like some recordings where he's planning this bad shit out or what ???

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007, 02:16:05 PM »
What's the evidence or are we not allowed to know?  I'm not trying to defend him, just curious in light of a government that has pretty much lied their asses off on one thing after another.  I would just like to know in general what they have on him?  Like some recordings where he's planning this bad shit out or what ???

I don't know.  Didn't follow the trial.  I'm sure there are summaries of the evidence presented at trial all over the place. 

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2007, 02:24:39 PM »
I don't know.  Didn't follow the trial.  I'm sure there are summaries of the evidence presented at trial all over the place. 
I can't find any

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 02:57:59 PM »
I can't find any

Here is one piece:

The government’s chief evidence was a faded application form that prosecutors said Mr. Padilla, 36, filled out to attend a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan in 2000.

The jurors, seven men and five women from Miami-Dade County, would not speak publicly at the courthouse and left through a side entrance. But one juror, who asked that her name not be used, said later in a telephone interview that she had all but made up her mind before deliberations began.

“We had to be sure,” the juror said in Spanish. “We wanted to make sure we went through all the evidence. But the evidence was strong, and we all agreed on that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/us/17padilla.html

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 03:01:35 PM »
More:

In his presentation Tuesday, Swor questioned why prosecutors called only a handful of witnesses from Jayyousi's past and played just a few dozen of the 300,000 FBI wiretap intercepts collected during an investigation that lasted from 1993 to 2001.
Swor also said prosecutors had not established any link between Padilla and Jayyousi, who ran an organization to help Muslims and published a newsletter.

"The motto of Kifah Jayyousi's life has been that 'I have nothing to hide,'" Swor said.

Prosecutors accused the three of conspiring to murder, maim and kidnap people overseas and provide material support to extremists in places like Afghanistan, Chechnya, Somalia, Bosnia and Lebanon.

"They decided that this end justified any means, including murder," Frazier said Monday. "Jose Padilla was a mujahedeen recruit and an al-Qaida terrorist trainee."

Padilla's attorneys say he traveled overseas to study Arabic and go on a hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, not to train to be a terrorist. They called no witnesses on his behalf and introduced no evidence, adopting the risky strategy of suggesting to the jurors that prosecutors failed to prove their case.

Evidence in the case includes numerous checks written by Hassoun and Jayyousi to various organizations that prosecutors say were involved in terrorism.

Swartz said Hassoun gave thousands of dollars to relief organizations and staged fundraisers at South Florida mosques because of repeated atrocities directed against Muslims.

"Their passion was relief," Swartz said of Hassoun and others. "There is no talk of terrorism or premeditated murder."

U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke instructed jurors that it is no crime if the trio intended that the money be used for relief work such as helping refugees or buying medicine.

http://www.courttv.com/news/2007/0814/jose_padilla_ap.html

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 01:09:35 PM »
Sentenced to 17 years and the government wants more. 

U.S. to appeal prison sentences for Padilla

February 29, 2008Recommend

FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
MIAMI -- Federal prosecutors will appeal the prison sentences imposed on Jose Padilla and two other men convicted in Miami of supporting terrorism and conspiracy.

A federal judge in January sentenced Padilla to more than 17 years despite U.S. arguments that the former Chicago gang member deserved life. Padilla's two co-defendants also got less than the Justice Department sought.

In a court filing this week, prosecutors say the sentences will be appealed, as expected. The actual appeal arguments will come later. Defense attorneys also plan to appeal the convictions and sentences.

The 37-year-old Padilla was convicted of terrorism-related crimes in August. He was held for more than three years after being arrested at O'Hare International Airport in 2002 and accused of a ''dirty bomb'' plot. Those charges were dropped.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/819614,padilla022908.article

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2008, 01:58:46 PM »
Here is one piece:

The government’s chief evidence was a faded application form that prosecutors said Mr. Padilla, 36, filled out to attend a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan in 2000.

The jurors, seven men and five women from Miami-Dade County, would not speak publicly at the courthouse and left through a side entrance. But one juror, who asked that her name not be used, said later in a telephone interview that she had all but made up her mind before deliberations began.

“We had to be sure,” the juror said in Spanish. “We wanted to make sure we went through all the evidence. But the evidence was strong, and we all agreed on that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/us/17padilla.html



But those camps were sponsered by the CIA and US govt...... ???

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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2008, 03:09:37 PM »
hope he likes prison...douchebag
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Re: Jury finds Padilla guilty on terror charges
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2008, 05:14:42 PM »
damn, he only got 17 years?

He's been locked up since 2001?

With good behavior taking off 1/3 of the time, and 6 years of time served, this scumbag will be out of prison in FOUR YEARS?  He'll be out of prison during the next Prez' adminstration?

That's BS...