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Barack Obama declared his opposition to the Iraq war early on — in a speech in Chicago in October 2002, some six months before the invasion began — but over the next five years, he has admitted having second thoughts about that early stand, even casting himself as a supporter of President Bush’s conduct of the war.

Speaking Wednesday in Fayetteville, N.C., Obama again said his opposition to the war has been unwavering.

“I am running for president because it’s time to turn the page of a failed ideology … so that we can make pragmatic judgments to keep our country safe,” he said. “That’s what I did when I stood up and opposed this war from the start.”

Yet Obama publicly acknowledged in his 2006 memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” that he once harbored doubts about his initial anti-war posture. After watching the famous statue of Saddam Hussein being pulled down by jubilant Iraqis and seeing President Bush declare the end of major combat operations aboard the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, “I began to suspect that I might have been wrong,” Obama says in the book.

During the 2004 Democratic Party convention, Obama declined to criticize the party’s presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry, for having voted for the war, saying: “What would I have done? I don’t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.”

The next day, Obama told the Chicago Tribune: “There’s not that much difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage.”

And that November, Obama echoed the president, telling PBS’ Charlie Rose: “Once we go in, then we’re committed.” Obama added: “We’ve got to do everything we can to stabilize the country to make it successful because we’ll have too much at stake in the Middle East.”

Obama’s comments on tactical adjustments in the war strategy haven’t always resembled the actual results. The troop buildup in Iraq in 2007 — much like the “surge” President Bush initiated in January of that year — offers an example. Once it was fully implemented, by last June, the surge helped dampen the sectarian violence in Baghdad, with casualties among U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians declining by some 60 percent.

Earlier, Obama had predicted a different result, telling Tim Russert on NBC News’ “Meet the Press”: “We cannot, through putting in more troops or maintaining the presence that we have, expect that the situation is going to improve.”

Obama did acknowledge the reductions in violence Wednesday. “Our troops, including so many from Fort Bragg and Pope Air Force Base, have done a brilliant, magnificent job under the most difficult of circumstances,” he said. “Yet, while we have a general who has used improved tactics to reduce violence — and General Petraeus deserves enormous credit for that — we still have the wrong strategy. … This is why the judgment that matters most on Iraq and on any decision to deploy military force is the judgment made first.”

In Obama’s reminders that he opposed the Iraq war in 2002, he contrasts his record with that of Hillary Clinton, who voted for the war.

Yet a comparison of all 85 votes the Senate has held on Iraq since Obama entered the chamber shows he and Clinton differed only once — when Obama voted to support the nomination of Gen. George Casey, the top commander in Iraq for nearly three years, to become the Army chief of staff.



We aren't leaving Libs so forget it. This guy is all over the map. Whichever way the winds blows. He's no different then any other politician trying to get elected.
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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2008, 08:20:23 AM »
He may have voted against the war but he voted to fund it. Why pay for something you don't beleive in?

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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 08:52:30 AM »
I dont trust anyone anymore.   "Think Ill clean my firearms today"  >:(

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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 10:39:03 AM »
The next day, Obama told the Chicago Tribune: “There’s not that much difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage.”

And that November, Obama echoed the president, telling PBS’ Charlie Rose: “Once we go in, then we’re committed.” Obama added: “We’ve got to do everything we can to stabilize the country to make it successful because we’ll have too much at stake in the Middle East.”


I wonder how he reconciles this with pulling out 2 brigades a month? 

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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2008, 10:44:15 AM »
It seems like when they become a possibility as a candidate, then the "Secrets" of the world are put upon them and they fall in line with the agenda....

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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2008, 02:27:32 PM »
Its the game in Washington...there is no escaping it. The Dems say they will pull out but unless they plan on leaving all our crap there we can't..yet they have to appeal to the far left to get funds and votes. Alot of people will be disappointed. If he where were elected, the militray might wait to see what happens before replacing units but the roatations are set well in advanced...
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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2008, 06:50:06 PM »
Who doesn't have doubts at some point or another?

The fact still remains that he had sound judgement from the start. to criticize him for re-examining his initial thoughts on a matter, ...especially in the face of overwhelming lies manufactured by Washington is understandable & reasonable. This was not a man who swayed which ever way the wind blew to get elected. When he ran for the senate, he did so in full opposition to the war. the one lone voice while all others were supporting it. He didn't change his tune to get elected. he put forth his beliefs and let the voters of Illinois decide who they wanted representing then in the Senate.

You're flailing. You're also trying to bring down a man, probably the only candidate that will ensure miltary personnel are no longer betrayed the way Bush and so many other administrations have done.
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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2008, 07:31:39 PM »
It seems like when they become a possibility as a candidate, then the "Secrets" of the world are put upon them and they fall in line with the agenda....
sad but true

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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2008, 07:32:41 PM »
Who doesn't have doubts at some point or another?

The fact still remains that he had sound judgement from the start. to criticize him for re-examining his initial thoughts on a matter, ...especially in the face of overwhelming lies manufactured by Washington is understandable & reasonable. This was not a man who swayed which ever way the wind blew to get elected. When he ran for the senate, he did so in full opposition to the war. the one lone voice while all others were supporting it. He didn't change his tune to get elected. he put forth his beliefs and let the voters of Illinois decide who they wanted representing then in the Senate.

You're flailing. You're also trying to bring down a man, probably the only candidate that will ensure miltary personnel are no longer betrayed the way Bush and so many other administrations have done.
Jag im curious if you care as much about canadian politics and social events as you do about american?

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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2008, 08:17:43 PM »
Jag im curious if you care as much about canadian politics and social events as you do about american?

No. as Canadians we have the power to alter & change the course of our gov when they do stupid things.
We also are not yet in an election year.

You lot on the other hand I liken to an infant running with scissors an Uzi. Don't take offense at that, it's not meant as an insult, ...just that such incredible military might in the control of a populace with their head in the sand is a very precarious position for your country, it's neighbours, and the planet. If a suicide bomber is going to strike, you wanna watch his ass, and make sure you're not exposed when he does. The US has been behaving alot like a suicide bomber for the past 8 yrs. Our societies have been closely intertwined for decades, and screwups & mismanagement south of the border, leads to meltdowns north of it. If the US tanks, it could very well take us, and quite a few nations along with it. Our PM I consider to be a bastard, but we have strong intelligent official opposition leaders like Stephane Dion, and opposition leaders like grand standing Jack Layton, and an informed populace to keep him in check. Your nation has seemingly rolled over, and either bought the putrid BS sold to it, or gone along to get along, ...or thrown up your arms in exasperation and opted out of the process entirely, ...up til now. So I along with the rest of the world is fascinated, cautious, and hopeful for your country, your future, and by extension our own.
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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 08:21:12 PM »
jag cares about the USA because at some point in the future... might be 2 years, might be 200 years... some sort of north american union will probably happen.  she might be neighbors with us trigger happy americans, and of course, those hard working mexicans they'll ship in to strip canada of all her resources. 

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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 08:28:37 PM »
I also care about the USA because the vast majority of my family are American.

My dearest and closest friends are American, and Americans are some of the best people on this planet.

Unfortunately, Americans can also be some of the most simple-minded simpletons on this planet, and if they want to remain so, ...they are welcome to. However, the path to the NWO, and global tyranny can only be accomplished first with the destruction of America, therefore it is incumbent upon all those who love her, to reproach her, and do their best to protect her, ...and by extension themselves.

America has given alot to the world. And now in her time of need, the world wants & needs to give back to America.
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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 09:16:15 PM »
No. as Canadians we have the power to alter & change the course of our gov when they do stupid things.
We also are not yet in an election year.

You lot on the other hand I liken to an infant running with scissors an Uzi. Don't take offense at that, it's not meant as an insult, ...just that such incredible military might in the control of a populace with their head in the sand is a very precarious position for your country, it's neighbours, and the planet. If a suicide bomber is going to strike, you wanna watch his ass, and make sure you're not exposed when he does. The US has been behaving alot like a suicide bomber for the past 8 yrs. Our societies have been closely intertwined for decades, and screwups & mismanagement south of the border, leads to meltdowns north of it. If the US tanks, it could very well take us, and quite a few nations along with it. Our PM I consider to be a bastard, but we have strong intelligent official opposition leaders like Stephane Dion, and opposition leaders like grand standing Jack Layton, and an informed populace to keep him in check. Your nation has seemingly rolled over, and either bought the putrid BS sold to it, or gone along to get along, ...or thrown up your arms in exasperation and opted out of the process entirely, ...up til now. So I along with the rest of the world is fascinated, cautious, and hopeful for your country, your future, and by extension our own.

Why do you consider Harper a bastard and Dion an intelligent man?

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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 10:17:16 AM »
No. as Canadians we have the power to alter & change the course of our gov when they do stupid things.
We also are not yet in an election year.

You lot on the other hand I liken to an infant running with scissors an Uzi. Don't take offense at that, it's not meant as an insult, ...just that such incredible military might in the control of a populace with their head in the sand is a very precarious position for your country, it's neighbours, and the planet. If a suicide bomber is going to strike, you wanna watch his ass, and make sure you're not exposed when he does. The US has been behaving alot like a suicide bomber for the past 8 yrs. Our societies have been closely intertwined for decades, and screwups & mismanagement south of the border, leads to meltdowns north of it. If the US tanks, it could very well take us, and quite a few nations along with it. Our PM I consider to be a bastard, but we have strong intelligent official opposition leaders like Stephane Dion, and opposition leaders like grand standing Jack Layton, and an informed populace to keep him in check. Your nation has seemingly rolled over, and either bought the putrid BS sold to it, or gone along to get along, ...or thrown up your arms in exasperation and opted out of the process entirely, ...up til now. So I along with the rest of the world is fascinated, cautious, and hopeful for your country, your future, and by extension our own.
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Ur country does not matter on the world stage so taking shots at us makes u feel better.....and please don't tell me that Obama will make things better for the military..he's a naive idiot who will pull out of Iraq and then be forced to send us back in. Further we will once again be beholden to the UN and go tear assing around Africa at their whim...further getting us killed for no reason. Atleast the mid east has oil. U appeasement minded idiots are ones with ur head in the sand.
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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2008, 09:03:51 AM »
Why do you consider Harper a bastard and Dion an intelligent man?

Because Harper has sold out Canadians at every turn. When he was opposition leader, he railed against certain policies of the Liberal government, but as soon as he got into office, it was a different story. He has also betrayed his parties own roots, and cancelled the tax cuts for working families implemented by the Liberal government. Isn't that a kicker! The party the Conservatives criticized as being too left wing wants to cut taxes, yet the Conservatives set about to increase taxes the minute they're in office.

Canadians from coast to coast have been demanding Universal Day Care for years. It was the one thing that all Canadian working families agreed upon regardless of their political stripe. Harper decided instead of a practicle, feasible and workable universal day care solution, (the groundwork & infrastructure for which had been carefully implemented in previous years), he opted instead to provide each family with something like $100. Where the heck is a family supposed to find quality childcare for $100? ???

There are other things as well, but I won't bore you with the details as it would require too much prep to bring most up to speed. Through slight of hand tho, Harper has managed to do what Bush did in that he did give a tax cut to the wealthiest Canadians who didn't need it, and weren't asking for it, ...while increasing taxes on the working poor. He has punitively cancelled and withheld much needed infrastructure transfers for areas of the country that did not vote for him, resulting in a disproportionate burden being placed on cities. He has disregarded and ignored the wishes of the Canadian public by reversing Canada's position on Kyoto, betrayed the very Albertans who put him in office, and seems hellbent on following the same disastrous & argueably treasonous policies of the Brian Mulroney gov. {spit} You gotta know a gov has screwed up when they are turfed out on their asses, and can't even win enough seats in Parliament to maintain official party status, and when a pissed off population votes in Jean Chretien keeps him in back-to-back succesive majority mandates for 13 yrs straight (despite breaking the very promise he ran on in 1993 to scrap the GST). And I'm not talking ordinary majority mandates, I'm talking kick ass take no prisoners majority governments. Both the Right and the Left failed to even garner enough support to officially even sit in Parliament.  And this is the same disastrous course he wants to pursue, bringin in as his advisors the same corrupt self-serving SOB's who betrayed us so badly under Mulroney.  >:(

As for why I think Stephane Dion is a strong intelligent leader... well, he reminds me a bit of Obama.
This was a man who was a dark horse in the race, and not even on the radar until he won. That was a total surprise for everyone, including no doubt those delegates who voted for him. It just goes to show what happens when people take a stand and vote their conscience, for what they believe in to their core as opposed to voting for who they think might win. Unlike Obama though, he's not the most articulate leader, can barely deliver a speech to save his life IMO, ...but he has vision, & focus, and has the needs of his country always in the forefront of his mind. By refusing to play the usual games of political oneupmanship, and keeping Canada's best interests as the goal, he was able to inspire Liberal Party delegates to hand him the leadership of the party after Martin's resignation. His win was neither a popularity contest nor a beauty pageant, but about inspired leadership and national priorities.
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Re: Obama’s Opposition to Iraq War, Once Firm, Sometimes Has Wavered
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2008, 09:37:24 AM »

Ur country does not matter on the world stage so taking shots at us makes u feel better.....and please don't tell me that Obama will make things better for the military..he's a naive idiot who will pull out of Iraq and then be forced to send us back in. 

You reveal your ignorance with every post.  ;D

Keep it up. As the readers here become more informed about what's what, ...your statements will begin to be held in the same high esteem reserved only for such luminary bastions of journalism like FoxNews and Rush Limbaugh.

pssst- It won't be all bad though, ...I'm sure Coach will still love you tho.

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Further we will once again be beholden to the UN and go tear assing around Africa at their whim...further getting us killed for no reason. Atleast the mid east has oil. U appeasement minded idiots are ones with ur head in the sand.

NewsFlash HH, your troops are getting killed for no reason right now!

"At least the mid east has oil!"

And you call ME an idiot?!  :o

Oil is NOT a reason for troops to be dying. If your country's foreign policies were not handed over to the oil interests, energy policy would not be hell bent on wringing every dime of profit out of the ground to the exclusion of clean, sustainable, renewable sources of energy. How stupid is a policy that sends trillions of dollars in revenues outside of the country, to middle eastern countries, making billionaires of those who finance terrorists. You clearly don't get it. American dollars, spent on importing fuel to feed gas guzzling SUVs is going into the hands of multibillionaires who finance terrorism, and oil companies that don't give a crap about YOU or the public.

Oil is NOT a reason for troops to be dying. National Security is, ...but you can't have national security when you're financially & militarily weak, ...something you have only this administration and it's war mongering ways to thank for!

Someone earlier said on here that you're like the guy who is lying in a pool of his own blood while fiercely supporting those who are kicking him in the head (or something to that effect). I think that was a pretty accurate asssessment. You say I've got my head in the sand, ...but I'm not the one with my tush up in the air, exposed and primed for major sodomization. You follow McCain and the path he's got in store for you and Americans will be biting the pillow so hard... they'll hear you screaming in Antarctica. And the sad part is...you can't even see it.
I feel sorry for you.  :'(
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