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D.A. Charges Parents for Daughter's Death During Prayer
« on: April 29, 2008, 07:58:25 AM »
Where in the bible does it say you shouldn't go to a doctor if your child is sick



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D.A. Charges Parents for Daughter's Death During Prayer

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   Parents Charged for Daughter's Death During Prayer

By Jenn Karlman

Even though they thought their faith would heal their daughter, two Wisconsin parents now face criminal charges in the child's death.

Eleven-year-old Kara Neumann from untreated diabetes on Easter Sunday. Dale and Leilani Neumann are both charged with second-degree reckless homicide. The family lives in Weston, southeast of Wausau.

"By Saturday you have a child that is not eating, is not drinking, is really not moving, not walking, and isn't able to speak -- and I think any combination of one of all of those symptoms would have alerted any other parents to seek medical attention," Marathon County District Attorney Jill Falstad said in announcing the charges Monday.

The girl's mother has said the family believes in the Bible and that healing comes from God,
but in the eyes of police, the Neumanns didn't get their daughter the medical treatment she needed to survive.

"This was a preventable death. Any action within the three weeks or days prior to her death, she would still be alive today," Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said.

Throughout the criminal complaint, the Neumanns repeatedly tell people Kara's illness is a test of their faith and that through prayer God will heal her.

The medical examiner ruled Kara died from "untreated juvenile diabetes."

The State reviewed 400 pages of material and more than ten hours of interviews before deciding the Neumanns' decision not to take their daughter to the doctor was a crime.

"She really was very vulnerable and helpless, and it seemed apparent that everybody knew that," Falstad said.

The D.A. said her decision to charge the parents was not an easy one. There is little case law -- and none from Wisconsin -- where a child died as a result of a parent's religious views. It comes down to weighing freedom of religion and parenting rights against the responsibility of the State to protect children.

"She is a vulnerable class of persons as children are considered in the law, and so I think our focus has been on Kara and her safety and what her medical needs were," Falstad said.

Action 2 News tried to contact both the Neumanns and their representatives. Our calls have not been returned.

Dale and Leilani have not been arrested. Police say they are cooperating with the investigation. Police say the couple will be in court on Wednesday for their first appearance.

Falstad knows this case is new territory and she faces a tough defense, but she wants to send a message.

"Our interest is really in the protection of children, and with this prosecution an attention to this case hopefully in the future we can prevent a similar situation," the D.A. said.

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Re: D.A. Charges Parents for Daughter's Death During Prayer
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2008, 08:15:02 AM »
Where in the bible does it say you shouldn't go to a doctor if your child is sick


I can't think of any place that it says that.

Maybe those parent are "Christian Scientists?"  I'm pretty sure the Christian Science Church frowns upon medical care.

I think they claim to believe in the bible but I'm not sure why they would say that:

(carm.org)
What does Christian Science Teach?
The following doctrines are referenced out of the primary Christian Science work,
Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, by Mary Baker Eddy.  It is supposed to be a companion to the Bible.  Science and Health, together with the Bible, are called the Pastor of Christian Science.
  God is infinite...and there is no other power or source, S&H, 471:18.
  God is Universal Principle, S&H 331:18-19.
  God cannot indwell a person, S&H 336:19-20.
  God is the only intelligence in the universe, including man, S&H 330:11-12.
  God is Mind, S&H 330:20-21; 469:13. 
  God is the Father-Mother, S&H 331:30; 332:4.
  The Trinity is Life, Truth, and Love, S&H 331:26.
  Belief in the traditional doctrine of the Trinity is polytheism, S&H 256:9-11.
  Christ is the spiritual idea of sonship, S&H 331:30-31.
  Jesus was not the Christ, S&H 333:3-15; 334:3.
  "Jesus Christ is not God, as Jesus himself declared..." S&H 361:12-13.
  Jesus did not reflect the fullness of God, S&H 336:20-21.
  Jesus did not die, S&H 45:32-46:3.
  The Holy Spirit is divine science, S&H 331:31.
  There is no devil, S&H 469:13-17.
  There is no sin, S&H 447:24.
  Evil and good are not real, S&H, 330:25-27; 470:9-14.
  Matter, sin, and sickness are not real, but only illusions,  S&H 335:7-15; 447:27-28.
  Life is not material or organic, S&H, 83:21.
  The sacrifice of Jesus was not sufficient to cleanse from sin, "S&H, 25:6.
  True healings are the result of true belief, S&H, 194:6.

Additionally, Christian Scientists prefer not to use doctors, medicine, or immunizations. 

Christian Science Practitioners are used to help people through the false reality of illness.
 
Proper prayer and training are employed to battle the "non-reality" of illness.


They have no ordinances like the Lord's Supper or baptism.
Church services are interspersed with Bible reading and readings from Science and Health.
Mary Baker Eddy is highly regarded as a revelator of God's word.



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Re: D.A. Charges Parents for Daughter's Death During Prayer
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2008, 08:42:09 AM »
Is there anything in the bible that you know of that they base this belief on?   Because it seems really assumptive.

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2008, 09:01:02 AM »
Is there anything in the bible that you know of that they base this belief on?   Because it seems really assumptive.
I can't think of anything in the bible on which they base this belief... 


It looks like Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Scientist) could have possibly just made it up:

As she "searched Scripture" she wrote down her discoveries and insights, forming a complete system of "theology" all her own---an astonishing mixture of primitive psychology, New England Transcendentalism (especially Emerson and Thoreau), a few accidentally discovered truths, and what we today would call "positive thinking," self-hypnosis, and a smattering of New Age ideas.

      These writings were revised and refined throughout her life and, under the title Science and Health, became the supplementary scriptures of Christian Scientists. Mrs. Eddy (or "Mother Eddy," as she came to be called by her devoted followers) was in fact from a worldly standpoint--a rather remarkable thinker far in advance of her time and more "acceptable" in our own pluralistic age. In other ways, however, she was very much a product of her own time and place. She knew about the "adventist'' fever that had swept America, and towards the end of her life quite seriously observed:

      'It is authentically said that one expositor of Daniel's dates [in the Old Testament] fixed the year of 1866 or 1867 for the return of Christ....It is a marked coincidence that those dates were the first two years of my discovery of Christian Science ....

Some modern exegesis on the prophetic Scriptures cites 1875 as the year of the second coming of Christ. In that year the Christian Science text-book, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, was first published (quoted in Edwin Dakin's Mrs. Eddy: The Biography of a Virginal Mind).

      Usually she referred to herself simply as the "discoverer" (one of the titles her Church later gave her) of the "science" of healing. She sincerely believed her writings to be divinely inspired, and second only to the Sacred Scriptures.(roca.org)





Some more info:

Christian Science, officially called the Church of Christ, Scientist, is a Christian-based faith that emphasizes physical healing through prayer and a recognition of the nonexistence of matter and illness.

 
Date founded: 1879
Place founded: Massachusetts, USA
Founder: Mary Baker Eddy (1821-1910)
Adherents: 150,000 - 400,000 worldwide (see Adherents.com for details)

The Church of Christ (Scientist) was founded by Mary Baker Eddy (1821-1910), a semi-invalid who, in 1862, began to learn from Phineas Quimby the possibility of cures without medicine. In 1866 (the year Quimby died), she suffered a severe injury after a fall on ice, and claimed a complete cure without the intervention of medicine. She was reading an account of one of Jesus' healings in the Bible when she suddenly realized that healing comes by spiritual means, and she was instantly cured.

Eddy thereafter devoted herself to the recovery of the healing emphasis in early Christianity, and in 1875 she completed the first edition of her major book, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. In 1879, the Church of Christ (Scientist) was incorporated with the purpose of 'commemorating the word and works of our Master'. She became chief pastor of the Mother Church, and wrote The Manual of the Mother Church to govern its affairs. She is referred to as Mrs. Eddy by church members.

At the end of the 20th century, the church had about 2,500 congregations in 70 countries; its headquarters is at the Mother Church in Boston.


The main texts of Christian Science is the Christian Bible and Eddy's Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. Both texts are read in Sunday services and studied in private devotions.

 

Like mainstream Christianity, Christian Science teaches the existence of an all-powerful God and the authority and inspiration of the Bible. Christian Scientists also believe the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus to be essential to human redemption. Mrs. Eddy taught belief in one God and described God with the synonyms: Principle, Soul, Mind, Spirit, Life, Truth, and Love. Christian Science also departs from traditional Christianity in several doctrines.

The fundamental distinctive teaching of Christian Science is that creation is entirely spiritual and perfect and matter does not exist. Sin, sickness and death also do not exist; we only think they do. "The only reality of sin, sickness, or death is the awful fact that unrealities seem real to human, erring belief, until God strips off their disguise" (Science and Health, 472:27-29).

According to Christian Science, humans are subject to the laws of matter only so long as we believe they are real. So just as in The Matrix Neo could mentally bend a spoon by realizing "there is no spoon," so Christian Scientists can heal themselves spiritually by realizing illness does not exist. (Note: This is a ReligionFacts analogy, not a Christian Science one.)

These core teachings are encapsulated in the "Scientific Statement of Being," which is read at every church service:

There is no life, truth, intelligence, nor substance in matter.
All is infinite Mind and its infinite manifestation, for God is All-in-all.
Spirit is immortal Truth; matter is mortal error.
Spirit is the real and eternal; matter is the unreal and temporal.
Spirit is God, and man is His image and likeness.
Therefore man is not material; he is spiritual. (S&H 468)
Christian Scientists refer to God as "Father-Mother" rather than the biblical "Father." Though unconventional, this is not a major departure from mainstream Christianity, since God is believed to encompass both male and female (both were created "in the image of God").

Christian Science teaches that Jesus is divine but not God, and that Jesus' human nature is a separate entity from the divine Christ. "Jesus Christ is not God, as Jesus himself declared, but is the Son of God" (Science and Health, 361:12-13). "Jesus is the name of the man who, more than all other men, has presented Christ, the true idea of God, healing the sick and sinning and destroying the power of death" (Science and Health, 473:10-17).

 
Mary Baker Eddy taught that the Holy Spirit is equivalent with "divine Science," i.e., the teachings of Christian Science. "In the words of St. John: ‘He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.’ This Comforter I understand to be Divine Science." (Science and Health, 55:27-29) "His [Jesus'] students then received the Holy Ghost. By this is meant, that by all they had witnessed and suffered, they were roused to an enlarged understanding of divine Science, even to the spiritual interpretation and discernment of Jesus’ teachings and demonstrations, which gave them a faint conception of the Life which is God" (Science and Health, 46:30-47:3).

Mrs. Eddy rejected the traditional doctrine of the Trinity, saying that it suggests polytheism (Science and Health, 256:9-11). She did, however, accept the threefold nature of God, defining it as a trinity of "Life, Truth, and Love," or "God the Father-Mother, Christ the spiritual idea of sonship, and divine Science or the Holy Comforter" (Science and Health 331:26-332:3).

Eddy defined salvation as follows: "Life, Truth, and Love understood and demonstrated as supreme over all; sin, sickness and death destroyed" (Science and Health, 593:20-22).

Heaven and hell are states of mind. Heaven is "not a locality, but a divine state of Mind in which all the manifestations of Mind are harmonious and immortal" (Science and Health, 291:13-16). It is "Harmony; the reign of Spirit; government by the divine Principle; spirituality; bliss; the atmosphere of Soul." (Science and Health, 587:25-27). Hell is "Mortal belief; error; lust; remorse; hatred; revenge; sin; sickness; death; suffering and self-destruction; self-imposed agony; effects of sin; that which 'worketh abomination or maketh a lie.'" (Science and Health, 588:1-4).

Christian Science has no creed, but Eddy listed six "important points, or religious tenets" in Science and Health (496) as follows:

As adherents of Truth, we take the inspired Word of the Bible as our sufficient guide to eternal Life.
We acknowledge and adore one supreme and infinite God. We acknowledge His Son, one Christ; the Holy Ghost or divine Comforter; and man in God's image and likeness.
We acknowledge God's forgiveness of sin in the destruction of sin and the spiritual understanding that casts out evil as unreal. But the belief in sin is punished so long as the belief lasts.
We acknowledge Jesus' atonement as the evidence of divine, efficacious Love, unfolding man's unity with God through Christ Jesus the Way-shower; and we acknowledge that man is saved through Christ, through Truth, Life, and Love as demonstrated by theGalilean Prophet in healing the sick and overcoming sin and death.
We acknowledge that the crucifixion of Jesus and his resurrection served to uplift faith to understand eter- nal Life, even the allness of Soul, Spirit, and the nothingness of matter.
And we solemnly promise to watch, and pray for that Mind to be in us which was also in Christ Jesus; to do unto others as we would have them do unto us; and to be merciful, just, and pure. (religionfacts.com)



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Re: D.A. Charges Parents for Daughter's Death During Prayer
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2008, 09:09:38 AM »
Lock em up.   >:(

I've never read anything in the Bible about not seeking medical care.  Wasn't Luke a doctor?

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2008, 08:01:58 AM »
Lock em up.   >:(

I've never read anything in the Bible about not seeking medical care.  Wasn't Luke a doctor?

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2008, 08:03:21 AM »
The parents should start playing the victim card, go on Oprah, then sue Jesus for not coming through for them!!!

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2008, 03:50:49 PM »
They seem to be sincere in their beliefs.  Scripture is quoted in the links at the bottom to support what they believe.

http://www.helptheneumanns.com/

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2008, 04:14:47 PM »
They seem to be sincere in their beliefs.  Scripture is quoted in the links at the bottom to support what they believe.

http://www.helptheneumanns.com/


So there is scripture that when followed can be harmful?

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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2008, 11:28:06 PM »
They seem to be sincere in their beliefs.  Scripture is quoted in the links at the bottom to support what they believe.

http://www.helptheneumanns.com/


Ah . . . no. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2008, 03:09:11 AM »
They seem to be sincere in their beliefs.  Scripture is quoted in the links at the bottom to support what they believe.

http://www.helptheneumanns.com/


They "seem" to be sincere in their belief?  Who isn't "sincere" in their belief, be it radical Muslims, The kamikaze, social Darwinists, Nationalists and Nazis?  Some people are just "sincerely" wrong.

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 09:21:55 AM »
So there is scripture that when followed can be harmful?

I guess anyone can twist words to suit their purpose.  But here, even MCWAY and Beach have said that disease, deformity etc., are the result of original sin, or at least, sins of generations past.  So I guess perhaps you can't call people criminal for believing that literally, as they do, and within the context of their faith praying for forgiveness rather than seeking medical/manmade help. 

Ah . . . no.  

Okay. Not sure what you're referring to.  See my post above, and I didn't write that with any sarcasm or facetiousness.  They obviously believed fervently that their child would be healed through prayer.  Not sure that makes them criminals. 

 




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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2008, 11:58:21 PM »
I guess anyone can twist words to suit their purpose.  But here, even MCWAY and Beach have said that disease, deformity etc., are the result of original sin, or at least, sins of generations past.  So I guess perhaps you can't call people criminal for believing that literally, as they do, and within the context of their faith praying for forgiveness rather than seeking medical/manmade help. 

Okay. Not sure what you're referring to.  See my post above, and I didn't write that with any sarcasm or facetiousness.  They obviously believed fervently that their child would be healed through prayer.  Not sure that makes them criminals. 


Sorry about that.  I was responding to this:  "Scripture is quoted in the links at the bottom to support what they believe."  The scripture quoted in the link does not support what they believe.  Did you read it?  I've never read anything in the Bible that forbids people from seeking medical treatment.   

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2008, 07:20:35 AM »
This was the logical extension of believing in the absurd, of believing in ancient desert dogma as absolute truth; an extension from which those such as Beach Bum and company are only a hair's breath removed.

That being said I have to credit the parents with consistency; in stark contrast to the dichotomous and compartmentalised minds of our resident fundies, who regard ancient mythology as fact without a shred of mutually corroborative evidence and reject the fact of evolution, all the while taking full advantage of the modern scientific discoveries, amenities and health advancements that have come about by means of a rational world view, our friends in Wisconsin stuck to their guns and remained true to their mythological beliefs in a way that our resident fundies cannot and for that I grant them a smidgen of intellectual honesty. Credit where credit is due.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2008, 02:43:36 PM »
This was the logical extension of believing in the absurd, of believing in ancient desert dogma as absolute truth; an extension from which those such as Beach Bum and company are only a hair's breath removed.

That being said I have to credit the parents with consistency; in stark contrast to the dichotomous and compartmentalised minds of our resident fundies, who regard ancient mythology as fact without a shred of mutually corroborative evidence and reject the fact of evolution, all the while taking full advantage of the modern scientific discoveries, amenities and health advancements that have come about by means of a rational world view, our friends in Wisconsin stuck to their guns and remained true to their mythological beliefs in a way that our resident fundies cannot and for that I grant them a smidgen of intellectual honesty. Credit where credit is due.


Modern scientific discoveries don't have JACK to do with the so-called "fact" of evolution, Deicide. For instance, you take full advantage of pasuterized dairy products. But, apparently, it's never occured to you that the guy who came up with the process put a dagger in the heart of one of evolution's biggest tenets (spontaneous generation).


Think about that, the next time you gulp down a whey/casein protein shake or have some chicken breasts, free of cholera (the vaccine for which was found by the same guy).

You might also want to be careful of which breakfast cereals and snack cakes you eat.

Health advancements? I'm sorry how many atheist groups have opened hospitals and clinics to heal the sick, again? Last time I checked, there were a ton of hospitals that had "Baptist" or "Methodist" in the title. But, for the life of me, I don't recall seeing any "Humanist" hospitals on the block.


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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2008, 07:46:07 AM »
Sorry about that.  I was responding to this:  "Scripture is quoted in the links at the bottom to support what they believe."  The scripture quoted in the link does not support what they believe.  Did you read it?  I've never read anything in the Bible that forbids people from seeking medical treatment.   


I did read it, and have to say, I was almost starting to find it reasonable, although of course it isn't.  :P  They're basically saying I believe, that seeking medical help denigrates faith in God's will and grace. The mother further believed it was a test of their faith and that the child had been taken over by evil forces to keep her from starting her own ministry.  It's sad and tragic... but who's to say they are wrong? Belief makes it real doesn't it?

The Jews rarely have these kinds of issues.  I think it's because the wise among them have discussed every potential social dilemma as it pertains to the OT for centuries and have come up with strict interpretations and solutions, so there's really no room for ad-libbing.  Christians are all over the place.

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2008, 10:54:32 AM »
It's sad and tragic... but who's to say they are wrong? Belief makes it real doesn't it?

I don't believe that belief makes it real, no.  If I believe that my dog told me to slit the tires of my neighbor's son's teenager's friends and I did it, it is still wrong (unfortunately ;D ).  If I believe that 2+2=5, it is still wrong.

I def. agree w/you that scripture can seem open to diff interpretations.  But if we look at the following we can see the church is taking the scriptures out of context:


"We do not dictate to people about whether to go to the doctor or not but agree with their faith as the Bible says:  {Matthew 18:19} Again I say unto you, that if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father who is in heaven.  We are not commanded in scripture to send people to the doctor but to meet their needs through prayer and faith.  As anyone here in the ministry will tell you, we are not against doctors for those who have their faith there and never condemn or restrict them in any way.  But we know that the best one to trust in for healing is Jesus Christ.  The foundation for receiving this benefit from Him is repentance and faith in His promises.  {1Peter 2:24} who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree, that we, having died unto sins, might live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed." 




Matthew 18:19 should be taken in it's context:

Matthew 18:15-20
A Brother Who Sins Against You
 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

 "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."



Seems as though the above is Jesus talking to 4 of His disciples in the context of dealing w/a sinning brother. I understand why people like to apply this verse to themselves today regarding anything though.



Now let's look at 1Peter 2:24:

"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."


This is not a verse about people being physically healed, but being healed spiritually (getting saved) by what JEsus did.

Here is the context:

1 Peter 2:22-25

 "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls."
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Re: D.A. Charges Parents for Daughter's Death During Prayer
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2008, 11:09:27 AM »
I don't believe that belief makes it real, no.  If I believe that my dog told me to slit the tires of my neighbor's son's teenager's friends and I did it, it is still wrong (unfortunately ;D ).  If I believe that 2+2=5, it is still wrong.

I def. agree w/you that scripture can seem open to diff interpretations.  But if we look at the following we can see the church is taking the scriptures out of context:


"We do not dictate to people about whether to go to the doctor or not but agree with their faith as the Bible says:  {Matthew 18:19} Again I say unto you, that if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father who is in heaven.  We are not commanded in scripture to send people to the doctor but to meet their needs through prayer and faith.  As anyone here in the ministry will tell you, we are not against doctors for those who have their faith there and never condemn or restrict them in any way.  But we know that the best one to trust in for healing is Jesus Christ.  The foundation for receiving this benefit from Him is repentance and faith in His promises.  {1Peter 2:24} who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree, that we, having died unto sins, might live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed." 




Matthew 18:19 should be taken in it's context:

Matthew 18:15-20
A Brother Who Sins Against You
 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

 "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."



Seems as though the above is Jesus talking to 4 of His disciples in the context of dealing w/a sinning brother. I understand why people like to apply this verse to themselves today regarding anything though.



Now let's look at 1Peter 2:24:

"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."


This is not a verse about people being physically healed, but being healed spiritually (getting saved) by what JEsus did.

Here is the context:

1 Peter 2:22-25

 "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls."


What she said.   :)