Experience makes Clinton better choice in primary

[240 is Back]

Vote for Hillary if you want, however, this is bullshit factually incorrect.

actually, in 2000, Cheney wrote the PNAC document.

Said we needed a 'new pearl harbor' to justify wars in arabia for bases and oil pipeline thru 3 countries - afghanistan, iraq, and.... iran.

he told us what he was going to do.  we elected him.  he did it.  bay is absolutely right. 

[calmus]

Wasn't PNAC written by the guy who is married to the US ambassador to Nato and a bunch of other academics?

Besides it's not like the PNAC got any major press. It was just a bunch of academics fucking around back then.

[240 is Back]

Besides it's not like the PNAC got any major press. It was just a bunch of academics fucking around back then.

a dozen of the writers ended up in the bush cabinet, and included wolfy, rummy, cheney, etc.

they planned it, they published it.  we voted them in, and they did it.

so we kinda asked for it.

[calmus]

a dozen of the writers ended up in the bush cabinet, and included wolfy, rummy, cheney, etc.

they planned it, they published it.  we voted them in, and they did it.

so we kinda asked for it.

Most people did not know they were voting for PNAC.

[240 is Back]

Most people did not know they were voting for PNAC.

true.  many knew by 2004, when the 911 movies were all the rage on the web.

[calmus]

All of life is like trading commodities.  You have tons of information, but you need to be able to figure out which pieces are relevant. 

[24KT]

She and Bill are now quite wealthy.  If either of them were motivated by money they would have pursued lucrative legal careers following their stint at Yale law school.

Not even their harshest (informed) critics have ever accused the Clintons of a paper chase. 

If you want to hate them for their ideological views fine, but it’s a mistake to project your own motives on them and then hate them for that.  A common mistake in politics.

In Hilary's case I don't believe it's about money at all, ...she'd accept the job for $1.
I believe for her, ...it's all about the POWER!

[Bindare_Dundat]

Exactly...thats the main reason I can't vote for Obama even though I like his style.  Look at his website & you'll see his argument is to increase spending & government influence/control on nearly every issue!

 It's time to end the expanding governemnt experiment. It's not working well enough.

[Tre]

In Hilary's case I don't believe it's about money at all, ...she'd accept the job for $1.
I believe for her, ...it's all about the POWER!

I believe the power is important, no question, but the $100 million she's earned since taking the White House back in 1992 sure is a nice, um, 'side effect'.

[Benny B]

actually, in 2000, Cheney wrote the PNAC document.

Said we needed a 'new pearl harbor' to justify wars in arabia for bases and oil pipeline thru 3 countries - afghanistan, iraq, and.... iran.

he told us what he was going to do.  we elected him.  he did it.  bay is absolutely right. 

Ummm...no he isn't. If years in Washington were requirements to get your agenda pushed through successfully, how did presidents Clinton, Reagan, Carter, etc. accomplish anything in their years in office? 

Chaney had years of contacts from his decades in Washington, however, most of his "success" was due to having a dummy for a boss who could be easily manipulated. His boss was quick to do anything and everything differently from his father, particularly as it related to foreign policy.

[Benny B]

In addition to that, Billary doesn't have all that much experience. If my wife was a CEO of a Fortune 500 company, can I put that on my resume?  Comparing Billary's eight years in the senate to Chaney's cabinet positions going back to the Nixon administration is laughable.

Besides, that lying bitch woman isn't going to be president anyway.

[240 is Back]

benny,

i'm working from the assumption that cheney was running everything the last 7 years, which is reasonable.

his success - passing his own agenda - was plenty. 

[Benny B]

benny,

i'm working from the assumption that cheney was running everything the last 7 years, which is reasonable.

his success - passing his own agenda - was plenty. 

This does not negate the point I made in the above post.

[CQ]

I want to put Ron Paul & Obama in a machine that puts em together. 

Me too.

Ron Paul has fabulous ideas IMO, but thing is 90% of the voting public are probably morons. The guy came across bad. Even I, who consider myself a step above typical moron status, thought the guy was just a weirdo until I actually read up on him more. It may sound superfluous the way Hillary was reported to have hired voice coaches etc - but persona matters with gaining public opinion. Paul could have used much assistance in that area.

As far as Hillary claiming she is stronger due to more experience, the thing I always think is  - well then won't be killed in the general? McCain, love him or hate him, one cannot deny he is an experienced man. So if her claim is all about experience, then it would stand to reason she should then defer to McCain in the general.

Plus, as Benny said - how does being first lady make one experienced? Married to the guy is not the job. My father holds a very senior government position here, jets off all around the world blah blah - does that make my mom some expert? No. That whole thing I never get....

[Tre]

Every government agency's job is to keep itself in business. 

This is why we still have the IRS.  Get rid of the IRS and all-of-a-sudden, EVERYONE has to pay taxes. 

[Decker]

Every government agency's job is to keep itself in business. 

This is why we still have the IRS.  Get rid of the IRS and all-of-a-sudden, EVERYONE has to pay taxes. 

Get rid of the IRS and the whole governmental system will suffer and eventually collapse.  When there's no one around to verify and enforce tax compliance, the governmental income stream will start to dry up.

It's all downhill from that point.

[Benny B]

Get rid of the IRS and the whole governmental system will suffer and eventually collapse.  When there's no one around to verify and enforce tax compliance, the governmental income stream will start to dry up.

It's all downhill from that point.

Yes. That's why I believe Ron Paul's idea is a con game.

[Decker]

If the year 1780 ever comes back again, some of Ron Paul's ideas make sense.  I don't see that happening though.

I don't think Paul is a conman.  Some of his proposition do overstate the simplicity of fixing what's broken in our politics.

[Benny B]

If the year 1780 ever comes back again, some of Ron Paul's ideas make sense.  I don't see that happening though.

I don't think Paul is a conman.  Some of his proposition do overstate the simplicity of fixing what's broken in our politics.

I don't believe he is a complete con man either. And he's plenty smart. However, some of his proposals have no basis in the reality of the America you and I live in. Abolishing the IRS and the Department of Education? C'mon man, get real.