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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2008, 03:57:41 PM »
It was an honest mistake on Obama's part.

Not as bad as McCain not knowing the difference between Shias and Sunnis and getting a free pass on national security.

honest mistake. how many honest mistakes can this guy make before people see he is a liar and a phony.

Sorry if my family had a "family story" then I would know the facts

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2008, 04:01:00 PM »
Mccain did what...he said that Iran was not backing AQI...well his mistake was saying it...not the info.

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2008, 07:14:03 AM »
honest mistake. how many honest mistakes can this guy make before people see he is a liar and a phony.

Sorry if my family had a "family story" then I would know the facts
And which politician in US history has not been a liar or a phony?

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2008, 07:15:58 AM »
I agree...but he's supposed to be fore change and hope and all that crap. If Hil did it, well thats the game...he's supposed to be different. If he's not different then his message is all bullshit and all ur left with are his policies which don't look a whole lot different then Hil's.
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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2008, 07:21:13 AM »
I agree...but he's supposed to be fore change and hope and all that crap. If Hil did it, well thats the game...he's supposed to be different. If he's not different then his message is all bullshit and all ur left with are his policies which don't look a whole lot different then Hil's.
His message of change seems to be pretty constant and unchanging.  That message shouldn't transform him into a character unable to err or lie.

How does the story about his uncle compromise his platform?

He's not christ.


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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2008, 07:22:21 AM »
"only way I really knew the platforms was to seek them out on the individual websites."

CQ, besides a few speaches on C-span here & there, this is the only way I know the specific differences between the candidates as well!!  I guess there's always going to be some focus on the spicy stuff but we must ask our media for more substance and less sensationalism.  Thats hard to do...but I suppose we keep criticizing the media.

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2008, 07:27:43 AM »
His supporters believe he is..or something short of that...thats not my point. He has a long list of gaffes....my point was that don't folks prepare this guy, and doesn't he have a firm grasp of history. Shoot one story or mistake would be sensationalism but this is not. he has been billed as the second coming...here is today's op-ed from the WSJ.

For months, Barack Obama has had the image of an incandescent, golden-tongued Wundercandidate. That image may be fraying now.

As smart and credentialed as he is, Sen. Obama is often an indifferent speaker without a teleprompter. He has large gaps in his knowledge base, and is just as likely to dig in and embrace a policy misstatement as abandon it. ABC reporter Jake Tapper calls him "a one-man gaffe machine."

Take the Auschwitz flub, where Mr. Obama erroneously claimed last weekend in New Mexico that his uncle helped liberate the Nazi concentration camp. Reporters noted Mr. Obama's revised claim, that it was his great uncle who helped liberate Buchenwald. They largely downplayed the error. Yet in another, earlier gaffe back in 2002, Mr. Obama claimed his grandfather knew U.S. troops who liberated Auschwitz and Treblinka – even though only Russian troops entered those concentration camps.

That hardly disqualifies Mr. Obama from being president. But you can bet that if Hillary Clinton had done the same thing it would have been the focus of much more attention, especially after her Bosnia sniper-fire fib. That's because gaffes are often blown up or downplayed based on whether or not they further a story line the media has attached to a politician.

When John McCain claimed, while on a trip to Iraq in March, that Sunni (as opposed to Shiite) militants in Iraq are being supported by Iran, coverage of the alleged blunder tracked Democratic attacks on his age and stamina. (In fact, Iran may well be supplying both Sunni and Shiite militants.) Dan Quayle, tagged with a reputation as a dumb blond male, never lived down his misspelling of "potatoe."

Mr. Obama, a former editor of the Harvard Law Review, has largely been given a pass for his gaffes. Many are trivial, such as his suggestion this month that America has 57 states, and his bizarre statement in a Memorial Day speech in New Mexico that America's "fallen heroes" were present and listening to him in the audience.

Some gaffes involve mangling his family history. Last year in Selma, Ala., for example, he said that his birth was inspired by events there which took place four years after he was born. While this gaffe can be chalked up to fatigue or cloudy memory, others are more substantive – such as his denial last April that it was his handwriting on a questionnaire in which, as a state senate candidate, he favored a ban on handguns. His campaign now contends that, even if it was his handwriting, this doesn't prove he read the full questionnaire.

Mr. Obama told a Portland, Ore., crowd this month that Iran doesn't "pose a serious threat to us," saying that "tiny countries" with small defense budgets aren't much to worry about. But Iran has almost one-fourth the population of the U.S. and is well on its way to developing nuclear weapons. The next day Mr. Obama had to reverse himself and declare he had "made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."

Last week in Orlando, Fla., he said he would meet with Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chávez to discuss, among other issues, Chávez's support of the Marxist FARC guerrillas in Colombia. The next day, in Miami, he insisted any country supporting the FARC should suffer "regional isolation." Obama advisers were left explaining how this circle could be squared.

In a debate last July, Mr. Obama pledged to meet, without precondition, the leaders of Iran, North Korea, Syria and Cuba. He called President Bush's refusal to meet with them "ridiculous" and a "disgrace."

Heavily criticized, Mr. Obama dug in rather than backtrack. He's claimed, in defense of his position, that John F. Kennedy's 1961 summit with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev in Vienna was a crucial meeting that led to the end of the Cold War.

Not quite. Kennedy himself admitted he was unprepared for Khrushchev's bullying. "He beat the hell out of me," Kennedy confided to advisers. The Soviet leader reported to his Politburo that the American president was weak. Two months later, the Berlin Wall was erected and stood for 28 years.

Reporters may now give Mr. Obama's many gaffes more notice. But don't count on them correcting an implicit bias in writing about such faux pas.

Over the years, reporters have tagged a long list of conservative public figures, from Barry Goldwater to Ronald Reagan to George W. Bush, as dim and uninformed. The reputation of some of these men has improved over time. But can anyone name a leading liberal figure who has developed a similar media reputation, even though the likes of Al Gore, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have committed substantial gaffes at times? No reporter I've talked to has come up with a solid example.

It's clear some gaffes are considered more newsworthy than others. But it would behoove the media to check their premises when deciding just how much attention to pay to them. The best guideline might be: Show some restraint and judgment, but report them all
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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2008, 07:53:06 AM »


As smart and credentialed as he is, Sen. Obama is often an indifferent speaker without a teleprompter. He has large gaps in his knowledge base, and is just as likely to dig in and embrace a policy misstatement as abandon it. ABC reporter Jake Tapper calls him "a one-man gaffe machine."



this made me laugh

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2008, 07:56:45 AM »
And which politician in US history has not been a liar or a phony?

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Which politician can't remember family facts?

Funny how you back this up, now claiming that it's acceptable for a person running for president to be a phony and a liar. Pretty twisted perception you have of authority and prestige.

People that are appeased by this, should be overly appeased by Bush then, since they consider him a "phony and a liar"

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2008, 08:00:03 AM »

this made me laugh

you have similar views of Jesse Jackson Jr. who is also the chairman of the Obama campaign, (highly illiterate person) so that makes sense

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2008, 08:06:21 AM »
I posted this one because it raises the questions in a more serious manner then some of the gotcha stuff out there.

I have a great uncle who was in German Army..never met him as he died in a Russsin POW camp, yet I know tons about him. his job, his unit, where he was captured. Don't u think having a relative who helped liberate a camp would generate a few talking points with facts. If I were an Obama guy, I'd have all this info ready for Comrade Obama to wip out when needed. Instead he screws the whole thing up. His point was about PTSD...thats been completely lost in his latest gaffe.
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« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2008, 08:25:36 AM »
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Which politician can't remember family facts?

Funny how you back this up, now claiming that it's acceptable for a person running for president to be a phony and a liar. Pretty twisted perception you have of authority and prestige.

People that are appeased by this, should be overly appeased by Bush then, since they consider him a "phony and a liar"
All politicians are phonies and liars.  What's the problem? 

I'm not defending Obama.  I'm pointing out the obvious.  That is my gift.  That is my burden.

The politician's platform is what matters to me.  You can discuss his rhetoric all day long.  Rhetorical errors only become an issue if the liberal media picks up on it and runs with it. 

When Bush was running in 2000, he made painful errors and lied on almost a daily basis.  Who cares?

However, he also lied about the costs of his tax plan and his record as governor of texas.  The liberal media let him slide.

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2008, 08:40:13 AM »
Ha..u might be making my point..Bush lied or did what he did about minor things and now might be lying about the war. Well so might Obama..and after 8 years of this do u want 4 more. Damm u I'm trying to work.  :P
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« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2008, 08:47:22 AM »
Ha..u might be making my point..Bush lied or did what he did about minor things and now might be lying about the war. Well so might Obama..and after 8 years of this do u want 4 more. Damm u I'm trying to work.  :P
Here's where we get murky.  Politicians lie and promise the world on the campaign trail.

Presidents are not on the campaign trail.  It's a little different when the leader of the free world plays fast and loose with the facts.

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2008, 08:49:53 AM »
I agree..but I would argue that this guy is setting up a pattern. He comes off as "Hope and Change" guy and all ur getting is bs smoke and mirrors. Atleast if u vote Hil u know what ur getting.
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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2008, 08:54:23 AM »
I agree..but I would argue that this guy is setting up a pattern. He comes off as "Hope and Change" guy and all ur getting is bs smoke and mirrors. Atleast if u vote Hil u know what ur getting.
What's my alternative?

Vote for McCain?  I.e., Bush Redux?

We have 2 choices it seems.  More of the same or something a little different.

I'm leaning toward something a little different.

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2008, 12:36:45 PM »
you have similar views of Jesse Jackson Jr. who is also the chairman of the Obama campaign, (highly illiterate person) so that makes sense

he is?


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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2008, 12:38:12 PM »
yes

from Chicago, he is friends with Obama for awhile now.


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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2008, 12:43:58 PM »
yes

from Chicago, he is friends with Obama for awhile now.




amazing. i was with obama (by default) until that...i have an extreme hatred (like seriously for real) for action jackson and al scampton >:(

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« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2008, 12:50:13 PM »

amazing. i was with obama (by default) until that...i have an extreme hatred (like seriously for real) for action jackson and al scampton >:(

So you're going to believe Mr. 18th century philosophy without checking on your own?

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2008, 02:33:30 PM »
So you're going to believe Mr. 18th century philosophy without checking on your own?
WHY HE HAS NO REASON TO LIE...ILL GO LOOK NOW

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2008, 03:11:39 PM »
Mccain was ranked 894 out of 899 students at the naval academy.  He also doesn't know that al-q isn't trained in Iran.

Are you bullshitting me?

Where are those other 893 students?
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« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2008, 03:20:40 PM »
Are you bullshitting me?

Where are those other 893 students?

By this logic all 893 of these probably have done better things with their lives than become a US senator for 12 years.


Good point.   ;D

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Re: How Smart Is Obama
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2008, 03:29:16 PM »
Are you bullshitting me?

Where are those other 893 students?

most of them didn't have 4-star admirals overseeing all Vietnam operations, as their dad.