Why Obama has to admit he'll raise taxes

[240 is Back]

because there's only two ways to reduce deficit and re-strengthen the dollar...

Raise taxes, or cut spending.

The problem is - and this is true with both candidates - you can't cut spending without listing the programs you plan to cut.  The moment you promise to cut spending, you'll have reporters bugging you 24/7 about HOW you plan to do that.  Whose job will you be cutting?  You SURELY lose the voting support of that group of voters.

McCain avoids this quagmire by promising to keep up the spending, and keep taxes down, the odd mix of things that caused us to enter this recession in the first place.  he's hoping people won't realize this until the *second* week of November.

[Eyeball Chambers]

because there's only two ways to reduce deficit and re-strengthen the dollar...

Raise taxes, or cut spending.

The problem is - and this is true with both candidates - you can't cut spending without listing the programs you plan to cut.  The moment you promise to cut spending, you'll have reporters bugging you 24/7 about HOW you plan to do that.  Whose job will you be cutting?  You SURELY lose the voting support of that group of voters.

McCain avoids this quagmire by promising to keep up the spending, and keep taxes down, the odd mix of things that caused us to enter this recession in the first place.  he's hoping people won't realize this until the *second* week of November.

Thank you, interesting post!

[youandme]

sigh  I guess no one knows the economic theories of Keynes. Obama's "plan" is the end of the US incentive economy.

[240 is Back]

sigh  I guess no one knows the economic theories of Keynes. Obama's "plan" is the end of the US incentive economy.

Yep.  (Unless he plans to cut shit once he's in office but doesn't want to lose votes).

McCain's "plan" is to continue to weaken the dollar and borrow almsot a trillion per year from china and euro banks.

[youandme]

Yep.  (Unless he plans to cut shit once he's in office but doesn't want to lose votes).

McCain's "plan" is to continue to weaken the dollar and borrow almsot a trillion per year from china and euro banks.

Weak dollar is what is going to happen anyways with the current rates, and global inflation. Obama can't change that neither can McCain, at this point they cannot even soften the blow. Everything that can go wrong has - oil. Don't worry things are never as bad as they seem and a weakening US dollar can benefit us with it's short term effects, Bretton Woods never saw it so. Obama does not know economics Eldon's video shows that point exactly. With his agenda of slicing the working arms of capital from the top 1% of the economic tier just signals his naive view of how this world works.

[240 is Back]

Weak dollar is what is going to happen anyways with the current rates, and global inflation. Obama can't change that neither can McCain, at this point they cannot even soften the blow. Everything that can go wrong has - oil. Don't worry things are never as bad as they seem and a weakening US dollar can benefit us with it's short term effects, Bretton Woods never saw it so. Obama does not know economics Eldon's video shows that point exactly. With his agenda of slicing the working arms of capital from the top 1% of the economic tier just signals his naive view of how this world works.

The war in Iraq costs $12 billion per month to maintain.

One candidate says he'll end the war (obama).  One says it's "not important how long the troops are there" (mccain).

When the war ends, that means $12 billion per month, or $144 billion per year, will not be spent in iraq.

[youandme]

The war in Iraq costs $12 billion per month to maintain.

One candidate says he'll end the war (obama).  One says it's "not important how long the troops are there" (mccain).

When the war ends, that means $12 billion per month, or $144 billion per year, will not be spent in iraq.

Where is the stabalization? Did you forget about Russia, Iran, and China?

We went once.

We had to go back again

We leave this time

Were going to have to go back again

Or

We stay and get the job done

If not that 144 bln figure you posted will end up costing triple next time around.

[240 is Back]

Where is the stabalization? Did you forget about Russia, Iran, and China?
We went once.
We had to go back again
We leave this time
Were going to have to go back again
Or
We stay and get the job done
If not that 144 bln figure you posted will end up costing triple next time around.

before we move further - when you say, "we went" into Iraq... what did we go in for this time?  Please clarify.  Did we go in for WMD, as Cheney said?  Or did we go in for oil, as the evidence now shows (building 58 permanent bases along the oil pipeline"?

Note - a "both" answer cannot be accepted, as Cheney said early on it wasn't about oil - only WMD.

[youandme]

before we move further - when you say, "we went" into Iraq... what did we go in for this time?  Please clarify.  Did we go in for WMD, as Cheney said?  Or did we go in for oil, as the evidence now shows (building 58 permanent bases along the oil pipeline"?

Note - a "both" answer cannot be accepted, as Cheney said early on it wasn't about oil - only WMD.

That is past the point, what do you think we will go in for the third time around?

Genocide?
Mass chaos?

No going back, but we are moving forward.

[240 is Back]

That is past the point, what do you think we will go in for the third time around?

Genocide?
Mass chaos?

No going back, but we are moving forward.

I don't think we'll see chaos there when we exit in October as was planned 1 year ago and announced by the pentagon.

I think the new military will spill some blood for 2 months, then it'll be business as usual there pre-2003... a leader who rules with a fist who is "elected" with 100% of the vote.  Iraqis prefer that to democracy.  they've had that system for hundreds of years, suddenly we try to export our system, and it doesn't work.  They want/need to be ruled with iron fist.

[youandme]

I don't think so bro.

Iraq has more women in on their governmental comitees than anyone in the world right now.

Women are now able to get an education in some parts of Iraq, are now able to participate in government and have a voice.

You think they don't want that?

Women now can care for their bodies and get their hair and nails done and have a life, US soldiers sometimes guard these secret houses, since when they would leave at night AQ would blow their salons up, or drive by with machine guns.

You think they don't want that?

Look at growth and food charts and production charts, I don't have time to pull them up for you, Iraq sees more food in childrens stomachs now than in the past 10 years.

You think they don't want that?

[shootfighter1]

McCain's Iraq policy worries me too...but I do believe that he will draw down forces.  He said he predicts the majority of American troops will be home near the end of his first term.  I certainly hope he will follow through with that if elected.  A large base there makes sense, keeping large #s of troops there for many yrs absolutely does not.

[shootfighter1]

The Iraqi gov is predicted to make $57 billion on oil revenues in 2008 alone.  Can you imagine what would happen if the government collapses and terrorist groups control that oil revenue and those oil fields?  Disaster.  Thats one of the main reasons I hesitate to jump at pulling all our troops out quickly.
We should have never invaded in the 1st place, but we have to make sure this isn't a complete disaster.  IMO, that means accepting help from other countries, using more Iraqi oil $ for rebuilding Iraq, forcing the Malaki gov to meet more goals, and drawing down troops cautiously but as soon as possible.

[drkaje]

Do you really think the neighboring countries can stand to see women in that much power? I'm more or less coming from a purely cultural perspective.

They both have to raise taxes and cut spending somewhere. The class warfare really works on the stupid but more and more people are beginning to realize who pays the bills. Eventually there's going to be a consumption tax or some other way to punish the soccer moms that need a Hummer.

Either way it will be the middle class 50-100K to get boned. There's really no way to take more cash from the poor and the services they use creates decent paying jobs. The really rich people have most of their money tied up properly.

Obama is probably more liberal than anyone out there.... with other people's money.

[CQ]

Do you really think the neighboring countries can stand to see women in that much power? I'm more or less coming from a purely cultural perspective.

I have no clue, but a good 40+ nations have had female leaders including Muslim nations like Pakistan, Indonesia and Sri Lanka. The Muslim world took that fine, which I always wondered about. Latin America is said to be a very male dominated society, and has females making great strides in governments, 7 leaders to date. With much of the gulf states having women wearing mini skirts, going to bars, bikinis on the beach etc, and the last bastion Saudi Arabia getting a bit less restrictive -  it seems inevitable that women are very slowly getting more 'acceptable'.

[24KT]

I don't think so bro.

Iraq has more women in on their governmental comitees than anyone in the world right now.

Women are now able to get an education in some parts of Iraq, are now able to participate in government and have a voice.

You think they don't want that?

Women now can care for their bodies and get their hair and nails done and have a life, US soldiers sometimes guard these secret houses, since when they would leave at night AQ would blow their salons up, or drive by with machine guns.

You think they don't want that?

Look at growth and food charts and production charts, I don't have time to pull them up for you, Iraq sees more food in childrens stomachs now than in the past 10 years.

You think they don't want that?

What the heck are you talking about? Women had more freedom under Saddam Hussein's Iraq than they do now.
Women never had a problem getting an education in Iraq, ...or getting their hair & nails done in pre2003 Iraq.
It is only NOW, AFTER the US invasion nthat the clock has been turned back on women's rights over there and women feel forced to wear burkas and head scarves. As for more food getting into Iraqi stomaches than at any time in the last 10 years, that was not the purpose of the invasion too feed the children... and the invasion had no positive impact on that. There were sanctions on Iraq for over a decade. Stop getting your news from FOX! 

[youandme]

Jag, if someone paid you to live in Iraq would you?

[24KT]

Jag, if someone paid you to live in Iraq would you?

no, ...but that's a completely irrelevant question, the answer to which supports neither your position or mine
you on the other hand ...probably would.