Epistane and 11 oxo cycle

[Cal_Lifter]

So I'm planning an Epistane (IBE) and 11-oxo (ergopharm) cycle. I only bought two bottles of 11-oxo, so as of now I'm thinking I'll either buy another one so I can run 6 caps a day for 4 weeks or just run 4 caps a day; what do you guys think? Epistane, I think I'll start out at 1 cap for a couple days and then up to 2 caps for the rest of the week and of week 2 and then run 3 caps for weeks 3 and 4.

Also, I've read a lot about 'pulsing' epistane, i.e., running it every other day. I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to pulse 11-oxo?

Additionally, I bought sesamin by primaforce; great deal, 189 servings for 25 bucks!

[Necrosis]

i would not pulse 11-oxo as it main mechanism is cortisol inhibition, you want to consistently keep cortisol low here. if your prone to anxiety low cortisol may cause anxiety, and lethargy.

higher doses seem to increase androgenic sides due to one of its metabolites.


epistane is a good product, pulsing is pretty much pointless, and is a bit of a farce.

[Cal_Lifter]

Thanks for the reply; it affirms what I was initially thinking.

From what you've said, I think I'll just stick to two bottles of 11-oxo, but I'm not sure if I should take 4 pills a day for 30 days or take 3 pills a day for 40 days? Then again, I'm only taking epistane for 4 weeks, so the continuation of 11-oxo, even add a mild dose, might interfere with pct. Alright, I'll think I'll go with 4 pills a day.

[Necrosis]

Thanks for the reply; it affirms what I was initially thinking.

From what you've said, I think I'll just stick to two bottles of 11-oxo, but I'm not sure if I should take 4 pills a day for 30 days or take 3 pills a day for 40 days? Then again, I'm only taking epistane for 4 weeks, so the continuation of 11-oxo, even add a mild dose, might interfere with pct. Alright, I'll think I'll go with 4 pills a day.

cortisols 11bsd inhibition is somewhat dose dependent. if your looking for fat loss and hardening stick with lower doses and higher doses convert to an active androgen and would require a decent PCT, so you may get some andro sides like water retention.

based on what you said i would stick with the protocol you outlined for sure.

[Zaphod]

I'm curious if 11-oxo is actually a PH? I tried an extremely low dose cycle for "fun" and my libido went apeshit. Definitely wasn't my imagination as it only got worse over time. I say "worse" because it actually became annoying at work with the frequent wood.

[Necrosis]

I'm curious if 11-oxo is actually a PH? I tried an extremely low dose cycle for "fun" and my libido went apeshit. Definitely wasn't my imagination as it only got worse over time. I say "worse" because it actually became annoying at work with the frequent wood.

yes, it is dose dependent.