The Surge is Working !!!!!

[a_joker10]

I was talking about the article posted. The link was the surge to Afghanistan

The Blame Bush campaign never misses an opportunity. So when its not about the surge its about letting Bin Laden into Pakistan. Maybe your toast was burned and you would want to blame bush on this too.

Your right many articles have been written on why this happened, but the main reason I see is that Pakistan allowed him and Mulah Omar into their country. They walked into Pakistan through a road that was supposed guarded by the Pakistanis.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1509144/Pakistan-'delay-let-bin-Laden-escape-US-raid'.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0304/p01s03-wosc.html

[Zaphod]

less troop deaths in iraq at the expense of our troops in afghanistan. i believe our afghan troops are looking for some guy named Bin Laden.     

Bin Laden is dead. Hope this helps.

[Hugo Chavez]

They walked into Pakistan through a road that was supposed guarded by the Pakistanis.

you're not going to get away so easy when you have people here that have followed news day by day year by year.  The region they walked into (free pass by us) was/is for all practical purposes out of control by the Pakistani gov.  To change that would probably mean civil war.

[Hugo Chavez]

Bin Laden is dead. Hope this helps.

not much help with all them darn look-a-likes 

[headhuntersix]

HH6, i'm perplexed over our military objective in Afghanistan. is it AQ, Bin Laden or the Taliban ?

would additional fighting troops aid in the objective ? if so, is Bush's War hurting our efforts ? 




NT

AQ pretty much pulled out of Afganistan and went to Iraq. Its very difficult to fight there. There aren't very many big cities...the locals hate everybody so if ur a foreign fighter, u stick out. Afgani's are very tribal and all about the buck, so we pay em more and they'll turn in the AQ guys. More troops won't help, Nato has plenty but those that are there need to fight. Honestly if Pakistan did more , this would be over quicker but it is in Pakistan's best interest to keep a destabilized Afghanistan. Thats something u won't hear from us or them but its what the Afghani government believes and what we do as well. If Afghanistan was stable, all the nuts in the border region would have other places to direct their anger.

[headhuntersix]

Well it would be an Afghanistan that can defend itself. They aren't going to threatened by invasion so it would be domestic security inside their border. Its a much easier proposition in Iraq then in Afghanistan. The locals are tribal and don't really care what happens much beyond their villages. There is no economy except guns and drugs. Growing food does not pay as well as poppies. We can stabilize it, and we have, but their army will have to take the brunt of the work. Its hard to grow a sense of nationalism inside a countrry thats largely tribal. Pulling out is not anm option because the country will revert back to a terror breeding ground.

[headhuntersix]

The place sucks....really its two wars. Troop levels are not the answer. Unlike Iraq, there are no doctors, engineers, scientists to help rebuild the country. These kinds of people don't exist. We are better off keeping them in a 3rd world status and just feeding em.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Well it would be an Afghanistan that can defend itself. They aren't going to threatened by invasion so it would be domestic security inside their border. Its a much easier proposition in Iraq then in Afghanistan. The locals are tribal and don't really care what happens much beyond their villages. There is no economy except guns and drugs. Growing food does not pay as well as poppies. We can stabilize it, and we have, but their army will have to take the brunt of the work. Its hard to grow a sense of nationalism inside a countrry thats largely tribal. Pulling out is not anm option because the country will revert back to a terror breeding ground.

We haven't stabilized shit in Afghanistan.  The place is worse than when we left it.  The Taliban has regrouped and in most respects is stronger now than it ever was.  The poppy production has been at record levels for years now.  But that's probably exactly what our government and CIA wants. 

[Decker]

The surge was in Iraq not Afghanistan.

Look across the boarder of you want to see the problems in Afghanistan. The Taliban in Northern Pakistan have become the De Facto government. This has nothing to do with troop levels of the US and instead says quite a lot about Pakistan.

But you guys want to blame Bush and thats fine NOTHING will convince you otherwise.

That's b/c Bush redirected US assets from the AFghan struggle and put them into Iraq--a country absent from our war against terrorists. 

Bush intentionally undercut the Afghanistan war effort to attack Iraq.  Aghanistan is where the terrorists are...not Iraq:

The US military considers Afghanistan the biggest front in the battle with terrorists.

Joe Biden said on Meet the Press that "I asked General Petraeus and I asked Ambassador Crocker, before my committee when they're here, "If you have a choice only to eliminate al-Qaeda one place, Afghanistan or Iraq, which do you choose?" Both of them said, obviously, Afghanistan, that's where they live, number one." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25313596/page/4/

[a_joker10]

Most Al Qaeda and Talibam are in Northern Pakistan,

Until Pakistan deals with the problem, Afghanistan will not improve.

Why do you think special ops are going there and there have been more missle attacks into Pakistan.

There real crappy part of all of this is that Pakistan has nuclear weapons, I would put Pakistan as a bigger threat to Us relations then Iraq.

However they don't plan on nuking the middle east, unlike Iran.

By the way Hugo, Iran has announced that Bahrain is a province of theirs and they want it back.
Sometimes things aren't only about Israel, and Zionism
http://kamangir.net/2007/07/10/people-of-bahrain-want-to-be-annexed-to-iran/

No wonder America has so much fire power there.

[Decker]

Most Al Qaeda and Talibam are in Northern Pakistan,

Until Pakistan deals with the problem, Afghanistan will not improve.

Why do you think special ops are going there and there have been more missle attacks into Pakistan.

There real crappy part of all of this is that Pakistan has nuclear weapons, I would put Pakistan as a bigger threat to Us relations then Iraq.

However they don't plan on nuking the middle east, unlike Iran.

By the way Hugo, Iran has announced that Bahrain is a province of theirs and they want it back.
Sometimes things aren't only about Israel, and Zionism
http://kamangir.net/2007/07/10/people-of-bahrain-want-to-be-annexed-to-iran/

No wonder America has so much fire power there.

I think the only good thing to come out of Pakistan is the proof that Mutual Assured Destruction works.