test-e or deca and winny V for first cycle?

[gymrat01]

stats: 6'5 210 my gym owner said that i was more built for deadlifting then anything else, I guess b/c of the long arms.

been lifting for about 2 years. in that tim eive gotten some gains, but not enough to satisfy. currently my bench press is 225(very low for as long as i hav ebeen seriously lifting i think). My goal is to bench around 300, and get big and cut. This would be my first cycle. I want to get big but i dont want a lot of water retention.Ive done my research and either gonna go with test-e or decca AND WINNY -V for my fist cycle. Or would taking test-e and winny V together be a good cycle? or should I run test-e first for a bulk then run a cutting cycle? Im up for any recomendations.

[iron_dawg]

what is your age and what does your diet look like...and how much you lift doesn't mean squat i am a horrible bencher

[theworm]

first cycle?

just use test E 500 mg x 12 weeks....

cheap, and great gains.  throw in proper PCT and you can prob keep most of it.

[4thAD]

first cycle?

just use test E 500 mg x 12 weeks....

cheap, and great gains.  throw in proper PCT and you can prob keep most of it.

Agreed! Deca and winny cycle would not be good for a first run. Not so good for most people ever.


Do you like being able to please your significant other? Always run test with your cycle with at least a 2:1 ratio. For a first cycle listen to Worm. Test only, 500mg ew, 12-16 weeks.

[gymrat01]

I'm 24, and my diet is pretty clean. lots of whole grains, veggies, protein, never drink soft drinks(only water), dont eat junk food.
I figured out what im taking. test-e or test prop 250-500 mg per week, and have my nolvadex on hand if i need it. i've already got my pct lined up as well. i'm thinking about maybe taking clenbuterol towards the end of my cycle for about 8 weeks or so.

[Mega Man]

Bro...Im 24, too and just finished my first cycle. It was Test E 500 per week for 12 weeks. What ever you do don't take 250 per week. It's enough to shut down your natural testosterone production, but won't give you any gains worth while. Take my advice, and do 500. I'm 24 and weighed about 185 before the cycle, pretty lean and ripped naturally from genetics and wrestling my whole life. I got up to 205-210, with same body compostition as I started. With 500 test e per week you will make great gains, but nothing freakish that will make people think you were juicing.

I felt a great sense of well being. You don't get any roid rage like you hear in school or the movies. You're just aggresive in the gym, except sometimes I had road rage while driving, but thats it. I had no acne at all untill the last couple weeks I got some on my shoulders.

So 500 test e for 12 weeks is what you want...no more no less. Just make sure you have clomid and hcg before you start....you can get it here.....

clomid

http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s45699-s-CLOMID.aspx

hcg

http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s33559-s-HCG-PREGNYL.aspx

letrozole

http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s45664-s-FEMARA.aspx

[gymrat01]

I think I will take your advice mega man. 500/wk sounds good to me. about how long did it take for you too see results? not very long coming from what i've read.

[Mega Man]

I think I will take your advice mega man. 500/wk sounds good to me. about how long did it take for you too see results? not very long coming from what i've read.

from my experience and others....if  it's legit human grade test E, you should feel increased sex drive, pumps, and intensity working out pretty quickly.

But to start actually gaining muscle and getting bigger.....the magic starts to happen around week 3 for me. At first I thougt mabey I wasn't eating enough protien or mabey it was fake gear....then once week 3 came, I was getting bigger every day it seemed.

[gymrat01]

From what i've read it seemed to be around week 3, thats actually pretty quick results I think. I'm gonna eat about 4000 to 5000 calories a day, and maybe i can get quicker results. I wasnt even gonna get anything but, since ive tried out every supplement that you c an think of, and they didnt seem to work very well. The best that worked for me, was muscletech's nano vapor, and thier gacik muscle builder. I also liked the nanox9 but as much as that shit costs, I thought i might as well just get some roids and get real results lol. Thanks for all the help greatly appreciated.

[Mega Man]

Also, Im not sure if you are scared of needles or injectin youself, but its not the bad. In fact it's nothing.

The first injection I was realy nervous and my adrenaline was pumping. But it wasn't that bad. The acutual needle and shot doesn't hurt at all. But for me....the first couple shots, my ass was sore about 24 hours after the shot, and lasted about 2 days. So if you are taking two shots a week(250 twice)...then your ass will be sore the whole week LoL. But after the 4th shot I didn't get sore at all any more. I guess your ass get's used to it. So from week 3 on was awesome....I started to see great gains, and my ass didn't get sore any more. I getting ready for my next cycle right now....I love it so much!

[gymrat01]

Needles dont bother me that much, one of my buddies said that wherever he took the shot that it was sore as hell for a while, but it will be worth it lol. im excited to start!!!!

[spirospros]

for a first cycle just deca testo -e and about 40mg dbol is perfect about 4monts.not high doses 400mg deca - 500mg testo .away from winny

[gymrat01]

sounds like a good cycle, d-bol with test-e should make some major mass

[spirospros]

sounds like a good cycle, d-bol with test-e should make some major mass

+ deca great gains all together

[gymrat01]

I will try it out, i thought about using those together, but i was prob gonna wait until my 2nd cycle to do that