3000 cals from donuts and doritos = same results as 3k from chicken & rice?

[boonstack]

a "calorie" is a calorie? yes... but i find it hard to believe that i will get same results for max muscle growth/fat loss if the contents of calorie is not considered....

[The True Adonis]

No.

[The True Adonis]

You need a way to get .5 to 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.  You can include Doritos and Doughnuts.

Also, it is doubtful that anyone would consume just those 2 foods so it really does not make sense.

[The True Adonis]

Also, 3000 calories is too much to lean out on eating any food.

You are going to have to drop the calories to get ripped if that is your goal.  3000 is ok for muscle gaining, but be prepared for a slow fat gain which can easily be taken care of should it start to get out of hand.

[boonstack]

i was not being literal, i assume you knew this?

so, doritos and donuts may not be 100% of the total intake, but where is the "line drawn"? 75%, 50%, 35%?  

and the remainder come from chicken, steak, oatmeal? -- typical bber foods

i can get 40g's of protein a day and still manage 3000 cals (from sugar, fat etc)

or i could eat 200g's a day and get 3000 cals -- what is the BEST for muscle growth?

[PJim]

i was not being literal, i assume you knew this?

so, doritos and donuts may not be 100% of the total intake, but where is the "line drawn"? 75%, 50%, 35%?  

and the remainder come from chicken, steak, oatmeal? -- typical bber foods

i can get 40g's of protein a day and still manage 3000 cals (from sugar, fat etc)

or i could eat 200g's a day and get 3000 cals -- what is the BEST for muscle growth?

Neither. You don't have to go to the extreme of eating that little OR that much protein. I don't think TA is saying throw the importance of protein out of the window, he is trying to say that you don't need to overeat protein with the childish notion that more is better. Find your daily needs and stick to a sensible, rational diet for your INDIVIDUAL needs.

[koolie1]

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[Royalty]

no no no!

Kilo Calories are not the question. Calories are measured by the amount of heat thrown off a buring food in a bomb calorimeter. The human body is not a calorimeter

ATP production is the question. Although carbs provide less than half the "calorie energy" than fats, It is way easier for the body to make ATP from carbs than fats. That is science.