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« on: September 12, 2008, 04:43:58 PM »
ABC News’ Charles Gibson, who is being credited with stumping Sarah Palin on the definition of the “Bush Doctrine,” has himself defined the nebulous phrase in a variety of ways, including one that mirrored Palin’s disputed explanation.

Gibson and his colleagues have been all over the map in defining the Bush Doctrine over the last seven years. In 2001, Gibson himself defined it as “a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.”

But when Palin tried to give a similar definition on Thursday, Gibson corrected her.

“I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation,” Palin said in her first interview since being nominated as the GOP’s vice presidential candidate.

Gibson countered: “The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us.”

Much has been made of the fact that Palin had to ask for clarification when Gibson inquired: “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”

“In what respect, Charlie?” the Alaska governor said.

“The Bush — well, what do you — what do you interpret it to be?” Gibson challenged.

“His world view?” Palin queried.

“No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war,” Gibson said.

That’s when Palin talked of ridding the world of “Islamic extremism,” prompting Gibson to define the Bush Doctrine instead as preemption.

The term “Bush Doctrine” was first coined by columnist Charles Krauthammer three months before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and has undergone profound changes as the war against terror has evolved.

“There is no single meaning of the Bush Doctrine,” Krauthammer noted in a forthcoming column. “In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.”

Richard Starr, managing editor of the Weekly Standard, agreed.

“Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be–and specified that he was asking a question about preemption,” Starr observed. “Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning.”

Starr pointed out that other ABC journalists, including George Stephanolous, George Will and the late Peter Jennings, have defined the Bush Doctrine on the air in a variety of ways.

Ben Smith of the Politico said the Bush Doctrine exchange was “not a great moment” for Palin. But he conceded that critics are unfairly “pouncing on Sarah Palin’s apparent unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine as last night’s gaffe.”

“This isn’t an easy question,” Smith noted. “Commentators have offered a range of meanings for the phrase, from the principle that countries that harbor terrorists are responsible for their actions to broader statements about the spread of freedom.”

Starr added: “Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists–all of these things and more have been described as the ‘Bush Doctrine.’ It was a bit of a sham on Gibson’s part to have pretended that there’s such a thing as ‘the’ Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002.”

Bill Sammon is Washington Deputy Managing Editor for FOX News.

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2008, 05:02:32 PM »
brutal ownage just like how obama got owned about saying not going to iraq, but now saids we should be in iraq now that things are better over there, but then changes his mind......just brutal  ::) ::)

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2008, 05:11:26 PM »
Know-it-all "Coach" all excited by Rovian tactics, still loses the election in the end bwhahahaahahahaha

Good commercial (all true) came out today..


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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2008, 05:14:17 PM »
  Truth is, no-one can define the so-called "Bush Doctrine", because it changes so often. "Well, there weren't any WMD's, so let's just say we're bringing democracy!"  ::)

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2008, 05:16:10 PM »
O reilly is on now. THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE DEFINITION OF BUSH DOCTRINE. Tell me Coach, what is it?

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2008, 12:22:46 AM »
O reilly is on now. THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE DEFINITION OF BUSH DOCTRINE. Tell me Coach, what is it?

Charlie Gibson seems to know.......Oh wait.......no he doesn't!


Proof the left gets owned over and over again.

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2008, 12:26:00 AM »
  Truth is, no-one can define the so-called "Bush Doctrine", because it changes so often. "Well, there weren't any WMD's, so let's just say we're bringing democracy!"  ::)

Actually we did find a bunch of yellowcake over there. That is right near the top as a potential WMD. Liberal media ignored the story. Shocking. ::)

It was sold to the Canadians to use in their reactors.

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2008, 12:42:12 AM »
Coach to be honest her not being able to define the Bush doctrin didnt worry me. There were three things that worried me a hell of alot more about that interview

1) Her point that because she had contributed to national security by her focus on energy independence somehow made her EXPERIENCED in this field

2) because of geographical proximity to Russia means she somehow has experience with dealing with Russia....seriously WTF I lived on the South Coast of England for many years and I dont know shit about France...but I could see it on a clear day...sometimes

3) Her absolute failure to expand on any point regarding Israel (the country which i now live in)..."We cannot second guess Israel's right to defend itself", she repeats this point three times. Well I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, I can tell you theres a tonne of people in Israel who are second guessing our right to defend ourself, attack Iran = WW3....so Palin really really worried me with her lack of knowledge on this issue, seriously living in Israel is not a game and hearing some woman who clearly has no idea what she's talking about repeat the same D@mn phrase three times when pushed on a major issue of international security really REALLY worries me.


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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2008, 01:10:34 AM »
Charlie Gibson seems to know.......Oh wait.......no he doesn't!


Proof the left gets owned over and over again.

Coach what is your view on why in the world McCain would go on "the View"...What a fcking mistake in my book...He had to know these piece of shit lesbo's were going to try to tear him limb from limb...

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2008, 01:22:32 AM »
TV,

I know you're not asking me, but he had to do it. It's like when he did Ellen's show.

If he didn't do it, he's a homophobe.

If he doesn't do the The View, he's afraid of these woman ...so how can he lead the country?

It's the same old crap.

So he went in, took his lumps and didn't make any mistakes.

The whole plan was to trip him up (Elizabeth not included) for something the liberal media could use over the weekend and the beginning of next week.

It didn't work.

The same with Gibson's interview. Any attempts to hurt her failed miserably.




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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2008, 04:48:24 AM »
Coach how about answering steve uks question instead of being like your beloved republicans and skirting the real issue.

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2008, 04:48:55 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2008, 08:31:22 AM »
mccain is peaking in mid-september.

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2008, 08:33:12 AM »
Yeah and Obama peaked in June
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2008, 08:38:22 AM »
Yeah and Obama peaked in June

it's going to be a close election, but the state by states still favor obama.

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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2008, 08:45:44 AM »
Yeah.....McCain has more states, Obama has the bigger ones...except now Congress might be in play and Mccain is starting to lead. Obama has major problems and if u don't recognize that then ur heads' in the sand. Nobody here, including Coach thought McCain could win easily but things are breaking his way.
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2008, 09:51:09 AM »
Yeah.....McCain has more states, Obama has the bigger ones...except now Congress might be in play and Mccain is starting to lead. Obama has major problems and if u don't recognize that then ur heads' in the sand. Nobody here, including Coach thought McCain could win easily but things are breaking his way.

Obama is definitely losing momentum, nobody is disputing that.  He could very well lose.  However my thinking is that mccain/palin is at their peak right now.  Like rudy and thompson, the more we learn of palin, the less women will support her.

and i still believe obama has biden withdraw at the last minute and he adds hilary to the ticket.  he's a shrewd guy, and I could see him doing something crazy as an october surprise if mccain is leading by 5 points.  Those PUMAs would piss their pants in glee with a chance to vote for hilary instead of the lady that shoots wolves from choppers.

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2008, 03:27:40 PM »
Bump for coach to answer the question.

silence hmmmmm  not surprising

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2008, 03:33:55 PM »
I couldn't imagine that hill and bill would want to play second banana to Obama.
The three of them will be fighting each other for power.
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2008, 03:52:37 PM »
Obama is definitely losing momentum, nobody is disputing that.  He could very well lose.  However my thinking is that mccain/palin is at their peak right now.  Like rudy and thompson, the more we learn of palin, the less women will support her.

Based on what? More women have shifted McCain's way, since Palin hit the ticket. And, it ain't just the PUMAs.

Palin may be the first example of a widely-publicized CONSERVATIVE woman, a demographic far too under-represented in our society today. She appeals to them (and some moderates). Of course, liberal women see her as Lucifer in pumps. But, that's to be expected.


and i still believe obama has biden withdraw at the last minute and he adds hilary to the ticket.  he's a shrewd guy, and I could see him doing something crazy as an october surprise if mccain is leading by 5 points.  Those PUMAs would piss their pants in glee with a chance to vote for hilary instead of the lady that shoots wolves from choppers.

That act of desperation and weakness would all but seal Obama's doom. You think the PUMAs would support Obama, knowing that the only reason he wants H. Clinton NOW is because he's losing? The PUMAs want Hilary on the TOP of the ticket and feel that they didn't have their voices heard, that Obama didn't win outright.






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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2008, 08:26:42 PM »
Obama is definitely losing momentum, nobody is disputing that.  He could very well lose.  However my thinking is that mccain/palin is at their peak right now.  Like rudy and thompson, the more we learn of palin, the less women will support her.

and i still believe obama has biden withdraw at the last minute and he adds hilary to the ticket.  he's a shrewd guy, and I could see him doing something crazy as an october surprise if mccain is leading by 5 points.  Those PUMAs would piss their pants in glee with a chance to vote for hilary instead of the lady that shoots wolves from choppers.

If McCain/Palin win, and McCain kicks off and Palin is President for 2012...A lot of people could be right that the Apocalypse will be here and end in a Holy War...She is exactly the one for it...However if Obama wins and is president and he is a closet Muslim, the same can apply...Either way, the stars are lining up and the manifestion of dooms day could be a brewing

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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2008, 08:37:58 PM »