Question on a long Bulk/Contest cycle and Contest Prep

[bigguns175]

Hey all bigguns back.

So I haven't hit the gear in 2 years and have gotten back into the lifting and looking to do a contest next spring.  I was thinking of doing a 5 month cycle, 3 months bulk, 2 months contest prep gears?  All my cycles in the past have only been 3 monthers so I don't know if 5 monther works that well, so I wanted to get your guys take?

What's your opinion on a long duration cycle, are they effective or not?  would it be better to do a 3 month bulk take a month off and then do a 6 week cut cycle?

I'm not so worried about cutting I'm at about 7-8% bf right now, I would like to put on some good size with this cycle though.

Here's what I got so far I haven't committed to any of this yet, and I'm still working out the numbers and fine tuning, so bare with me.

Idea for 20 week cycle

Beginning
14 weeks of Test E/C or SuS at 750-1000mg a week
14 weeks of Deca or EQ 500-750 mg a week
6 weeks of Dbol - 30-40 mg ED


After 14 weeks switch the deca/eq to primo for 6 weeks  (dosage and frequency not decided yet)
After 14 weeks switch the Test E/C or Sus to Test Prop for 6 weeks  (dosage and frequency not decided yet)
After 14 weeks begin 6 weeks of winstrol tabs - 60 - 80 mgs ED


For full 23 weeks run nolvadex at 20 mgs a day ED

Run HCG every 5 days or every week I think

Clen and T3 will be used only if need be

Don't know about GH at the moment, depends if I can find any and for reasonable $

Would you guys change anything or add or remove anything ??

Thanks for your thoughts, ideas, and opinions!

[DIVISION]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:

D-bol 50MG/ed         Week 1-7
T-bol  80MG/ed        Week 8-14
Sustanon 750MG/ew  Week 1-14
Deca 500MG/ew        Week 1-14
Winstrol 50MG/ed      Week 15-20
Primobolan 500MG/ew Week 15-20
Test Prop. 100MG/ed  Week 15-20



That's a cycle............



DIV

[bigguns175]

thx 4 the input div helpful as always

[Arnold jr]

Nothing wrong with Div's cycle plan, but this is simply how I'd do it.

wk 1-6 dbol 40mg/ed
wk 1-12 test-e or cyp 250mg/eod
wk 1-12 eq 200mg/eod or deca 400mg/wk
wk 13-19 tren-a 75mg/eod (I'd opt for this over primo)
wk 13-19 test prop 200mg/eod (last injection coming Tues or Wed before the show)
wk 1-19 winny 50mg/ed
wk 1-20 HGH 4iu/ed
wk 1-19 arimidex or letrozol 1mg/eod

Final 7-10 days:

arimidex or letrozol 1mg/ed
tren-a 75mg/ed
winny 100mg/ed

Final notes:

Save the nolva for your PCT...use an AI like arimidex or letrozol while on cycle...especially those last 8wks which will be crucial.

Primo is OK at best for men IMO, things like tren-a will be far superior.

[tbombz]

Hey all bigguns back.

So I haven't hit the gear in 2 years and have gotten back into the lifting and looking to do a contest next spring.  I was thinking of doing a 5 month cycle, 3 months bulk, 2 months contest prep gears?  All my cycles in the past have only been 3 monthers so I don't know if 5 monther works that well, so I wanted to get your guys take?

What's your opinion on a long duration cycle, are they effective or not?  would it be better to do a 3 month bulk take a month off and then do a 6 week cut cycle?


Are they effective? Yes. Androgen receptor "Down regulation" is myth based on misunderstandings. 


I'm not so worried about cutting I'm at about 7-8% bf right now, I would like to put on some good size with this cycle though.

Here's what I got so far I haven't committed to any of this yet, and I'm still working out the numbers and fine tuning, so bare with me.

Idea for 20 week cycle

Beginning
14 weeks of Test E/C or SuS at 750-1000mg a week
14 weeks of Deca or EQ 500-750 mg a week
6 weeks of Dbol - 30-40 mg ED

Hear me out on something. You are willing to run 1000mg Testosterone + 750mg Deca  = 1750mg AAS per week. IMO, a better "stack" using Testosterone and Deca at 1750mg per week would be to run 1250mg Testosterone and 500mg Deca. You will get better gains because of using a larger % of Testosterone, and youll still get the joint/tendon benefits of Deca.


After 14 weeks switch the deca/eq to primo for 6 weeks  (dosage and frequency not decided yet)
After 14 weeks switch the Test E/C or Sus to Test Prop for 6 weeks  (dosage and frequency not decided yet)
After 14 weeks begin 6 weeks of winstrol tabs - 60 - 80 mgs ED

If your not interested in cutting, how come your switching mid-cycle over to "Cutting drugs"(another myth based on misunderstandings)?



For full 23 weeks run nolvadex at 20 mgs a day ED

I think it better if you use a low dose of an AI instead of a SERM. Try something like .5mg Arimidex ED and work from there.


Run HCG every 5 days or every week I think

Clen and T3 will be used only if need be


Don't know about GH at the moment, depends if I can find any and for reasonable $

Would you guys change anything or add or remove anything ??

Thanks for your thoughts, ideas, and opinions!

 

[bigguns175]

thx for all ur replies.  Yea I was debating between the serm and the AI.  Most cycles I do I usually use nolvadex or aromasin.  Tried letrozole that seemed ok too but scares me a little being that it is so powerful. I actually never have used arimidex even tho it is so highly praised.  Ought to try it out for a go.  Usually like the serm for the benefit that it doesn't kill ur estrogen levels and imo u ought to have both but of course estrogen does make u retain water so prob better for AI anyway come competition time.

I'm not the biggest fan of tren but when I did it , it was a weak 1/2 ass bulk cycle and didn't see much results but I'm sort of interested in trying it again in a well done cutting cycle see if I get better results with it that way.  Might make the switch

And in response to the switch 12-14 weeks in because of the water retention and bloating of the test switch over to a short ester and cut it out be4 the show, hopefully cut some of the bloat + I'm a little worried of the body getting used to the compounds in the matters of the test tho i think they are competing for the same receptors so prob doesn't affect anything but not sure about deca and primo.  Have to do a tad more research a bit rusty starting to forget things but , thx for all the great ideas and help.  Always appreciated.

[local hero]

forgett everything you thought you knew about receptors,, getting down to brass tacks,, the longer you stay on the better u look, the more u can tolerate to inject into your self( up to a point ) the better u will look, despite what anyone claims, this will always be the case..

totaly agree with the arimidex over nolva, id go for the 1 amp of sus,enth or cyp along with the one amp of eq eod.... if i were to compete again id use somthing like that for a good 6month before, or possibly for even longer