Dexter Vs. Jay in the Ab/Thigh shot

[nycbull]

Jay himself confessed in his last interview before the olympia on bodybuilding.com that his naturally wide waist is a problem for him.. The bones of his waist are naturally wide and he can't change this.. Not all the big guys have wide waits, Denis Wolf for example is a big guy with a small waist..

atwood and federov both had naturally wide hip structure too, I dont think that should be held against them...were gonna lose a lot big guys that way and be left with ballerinas.

[nycbull]

The problem is that Jays waist looks like dog shit.
Scrambled abs/wavy mess.
At competition bf%, he very little vascularity.
His waist is nearly as wide as his lats
His right quad is 2x smaller than his left
his biceps are like softballs and baseballs compared

he always had the wavy abs a lot of pros do...that shouldnt be an issue
Also he is about as vascular as Dex in that pic, but what does vasularity have to do with anything,,,i dont think that is judged?.
How come mass monsters like Dorian and Ronnie were forgiven for some asymetrical issues and Jay not...seems unfair.  Guys cant get that big without some asymetry.

[boonstack]

nycbull,

you seem to be saying "MASS" is the total deciding factor. Yes, jay is a massive mother, he is thick, dense and muscles are about as matured as you can get. BUT, with this gain in mass, he has sacrificed a lot of the "small things" that IMO would allow a much more pleasing physique to be presented on stage.

Obviously, most of his current issues are 90% due to the hormones/chemicals he has been eating everday for the past 15 years. USE of aas is one thing, ABuse will deliver what u see in Jay.

[nycbull]

nycbull,

you seem to be saying "MASS" is the total deciding factor. Yes, jay is a massive mother, he is thick, dense and muscles are about as matured as you can get. BUT, with this gain in mass, he has sacrificed a lot of the "small things" that IMO would allow a much more pleasing physique to be presented on stage.

Obviously, most of his current issues are 90% due to the hormones/chemicals he has been eating everday for the past 15 years. USE of aas is one thing, ABuse will deliver what u see in Jay.

boon

anyone that lifts weights knows that putting on real dense muscle mass is the most difficult accomplishment to achieve in BB and requires the most work and dedication and should be rewarded highest.  I dont think Jay was that off aestheticaly.  I also dont get what veins has to do with it, if you can see some striations thats all that is necessary.

I am all for a return to aesthetics but not to guys that look like anatomy charts with tiny waists.  Aesthetics has to include guys with a variety of genetic structures ..ie..wide hips, or high set lats so that we dont get a generic look...even Grimek and Ross had wide waists, .It should be OK to have one or two oversized freakish bodyparts ...ie, wolfs shoulders , or Heaths arms.....THis return to aesthetics is good but it cant be an acceptance of boring predictable physiques.......I also want to see posing and presentation judged, cause if a guy has a perfect body and moves like a duck then he doesnt deserve the OLympian title. ( and that doesnt mean bumping and grinding of any lascivious gestures)

[ASJChaotic]

atwood and federov both had naturally wide hip structure too, I dont think that should be held against them...were gonna lose a lot big guys that way and be left with ballerinas.

oh yeah cuz they all have "naturally" wide waists

not from insulin and human growth hormone
this is natural right?

[nycbull]

oh yeah cuz they all have "naturally" wide waists

not from insulin and human growth hormone
this is natural right?

not takling about roid gut and the judges should know the difference. 

Look at Chacon, he will get marked down just for having  wide hips, thus a wider waist, its wrong.

[SweetMuscles]

Jay kills Dexter in that comparison. This is a muscle sport. It's not the Men's Health next cover model competition The guy with the most muscle who comes in conditioned ,should and usually does win

[nycbull]

Is this what won the Olympia for Dexter?

Jays lats would come out further if he hit the pose like Dex...Jay pulls his arms in close to his head making him look more narrow

[boonstack]

Jay kills Dexter in that comparison. This is a muscle sport. It's not the Men's Health next cover model competition The guy with the most muscle who comes in conditioned ,should and usually does win

yea, 230+lbs at 3% bodyfat... dex is lagging

[garebear]

This is a Ab Thigh shot...

Poop...

it's raining poop