Yes, im a *bit* paranoid...

[Meso_z]

Is it possible when you shot the delt for example,

by accident, move the needle inside and get some of the oil subq and be wasted?

 

[ONDEZNTS]

What size needle did you use, and how muscular are your arms/sholders? I use a 23g 1' in my delts and when i put it in all the way it is definetly in the muscle. To go subq you would almost have to pull it out some rather then moving it around when its burried

[Arnold jr]

It will still absorb. YOu might have some pain in that area the next day or two but it will still absorb into the muscle...just takes longer.

[Meso_z]

It will still absorb. YOu might have some pain in that area the next day or two but it will still absorb into the muscle...just takes longer.

phew...

thanks... 

[Emmortal]

phew...

thanks... 

Yup, as AJ said, if the oil is in the SubQ layer it will still absorb but take longer and might not absorb as efficiently as it would IM.  IM injections have a much more stable and predictable absorption rate comparatively to SubQ which is why we shoot IM, for steady levels of absorption rate.

[Rimbaud]

You're right you are paranoid. As others have said a sub-q oil injection will be absorbed just a little differently. Just as a injection into fat will be absorbed.

[StillTippin]

Sort of related to this.  A couple times when shooting with a 23g 1" pin I have gone all the way in, injected slowly and kept the needle still.  Yet when I pull out oil starts oozing out of the hole, no blood, just oil.  It has happened in quad, delt and glute, one or two times in each.  Was around 14% bf but I was in the muscle for sure.  Any ideas why this would happen?

[DIVISION]

Yup, as AJ said, if the oil is in the SubQ layer it will still absorb but take longer and might not absorb as efficiently as it would IM.  IM injections have a much more stable and predictable absorption rate comparatively to SubQ which is why we shoot IM, for steady levels of absorption rate.

Exactly.

When we use anabolics as they were intended (IM), they work as they were intended (steady testosterone levels).




DIV

[dustin]

Wow... that's pretty paranoid. I don't care if a couple mg are "lost" (even though they're not lost, it just takes longer to absorb). In the grand scheme of things it means absolutely dick all. There was a study done here on the Island where people pinned test e sub-q and it was all good in the hood. It just took a little longer to metabolize as one would expect.

[tbombz]

Sort of related to this.  A couple times when shooting with a 23g 1" pin I have gone all the way in, injected slowly and kept the needle still.  Yet when I pull out oil starts oozing out of the hole, no blood, just oil.  It has happened in quad, delt and glute, one or two times in each.  Was around 14% bf but I was in the muscle for sure.  Any ideas why this would happen?

leave an air bubble in the syringe... get all the oil into the muscle with a bit of air left in the syringe then push the air slowly in.. this will seal it in a bit better. also you can pull the skin to the side, inject, then pull the needle out and the skin will move back into place, creating a cover over the injection hole.. thats also a good way to seal it in.

[dustin]

leave an air bubble in the syringe... get all the oil into the muscle with a bit of air left in the syringe then push the air slowly in.. this will seal it in a bit better. also you can pull the skin to the side, inject, then pull the needle out and the skin will move back into place, creating a cover over the injection hole.. thats also a good way to seal it in.

Z-track method or whatever is a little annoying. I also suck a small air bubble into the syringe and leave it at the top so everything's absorbed and there's a bit of a buffer. Rarely, if ever, does any oil slip out afterward. I don't know why more people don't do this!

[tbombz]

Z-track method or whatever is a little annoying. I also suck a small air bubble into the syringe and leave it at the top so everything's absorbed and there's a bit of a buffer. Rarely, if ever, does any oil slip out afterward. I don't know why more people don't do this!

yes. i also do this because if you dont do it, you are leaving some oil and steroid in the needle. the air pushes all of the oil through and out of the tip of the needle. ive got it down pretty good now where i push all the oil through the needle and just a smidgen of air into the muscle before the plunger hits the tip of the syringe.

[dustin]

yes. i also do this because if you dont do it, you are leaving some oil and steroid in the needle. the air pushes all of the oil through and out of the tip of the needle. ive got it down pretty good now where i push all the oil through the needle and just a smidgen of air into the muscle before the plunger hits the tip of the syringe.

I also find this method useful when pinning tricky areas like traps, lats, rear delts and triceps. It's hard to see whether the plunger has reached the bottom but if there's a tiny bit of air in the syringe you'll hear it make a little ziiipp noise once the last bit of fluid is injected.

I usually pin in my room in front of a mirror but there are some areas that are difficult to reach. And sometimes my hands get tired or I'm not sure if the plunger is just stuck half way down the barrel. I've shown a lot of people how to pin this way and they're amazed. Some of them ranted about how they must have pissed away vials of gear over the years from the tiny bit that remains lol

[tbombz]

damn, trraps and lats, ever get soreness in those areas? i assume you just go straight down into the thickness of the traps but where do you hit the lats at ? i need other areas i cant do legs anymmore ive figured out that they just hate injects.. delts are perfect but cant use them everytime and glutes already have scar tissue buildup and dont wana use them too often since ill need them to be absorbing gear for at least anoth 15-20 years..

[dustin]

damn, trraps and lats, ever get soreness in those areas? i assume you just go straight down into the thickness of the traps but where do you hit the lats at ? i need other areas i cant do legs anymmore ive figured out that they just hate injects.. delts are perfect but cant use them everytime and glutes already have scar tissue buildup and dont wana use them too often since ill need them to be absorbing gear for at least anoth 15-20 years..

I just pin an inch below my arm pit when I hit lats, I suppose. I've always had a lot of thickness and width in my back so it makes it a great place to pin. Started off by pinning IGF-1 there with half inch slin pins and got used to it quickly. Too bad the IGF-1 I was pinning was fucking bunk though!!!

[tbombz]

RAT INSULIN ?     

[Meso_z]

Sort of related to this.  A couple times when shooting with a 23g 1" pin I have gone all the way in, injected slowly and kept the needle still.  Yet when I pull out oil starts oozing out of the hole, no blood, just oil.  It has happened in quad, delt and glute, one or two times in each.  Was around 14% bf but I was in the muscle for sure.  Any ideas why this would happen?

Before injecting, when you push the plunger to get the air bubbles out, have you noticed that some oil, actually drops, come out and stay on the neeedle?

It must be that oil, dont worry.

[StillTippin]

I do usually have a bubble that goes in to clear the oil out of the needle but maybe on those occasions I didn't.  I'll be more careful on the next cycle.  @ Mezo, I've had that little bit of oil from the outside of the pin come out, this was not that.  This was oil flowing out of the hole and down the skin.  Let me tell you, trying to push oil back into a pin sized hole does not work and it's sad watching half your injection come right back out, lol.

[dustin]

RAT INSULIN ?     

Most likely. They were generic Chinese pieces of shit with red tops. Just said IGF-1 on them. My friend had some primo looking kits but when his source shipped out my IGF-1, I got three 1mg kits of that Chinese bullshit... so pissed off. Getting a good deal on some Serostim kits though. He felt bad that his source Jewed me so hardcore.

[DIVISION]

Most likely. They were generic Chinese pieces of shit with red tops. Just said IGF-1 on them. My friend had some primo looking kits but when his source shipped out my IGF-1, I got three 1mg kits of that Chinese bullshit... so pissed off. Getting a good deal on some Serostim kits though. He felt bad that his source Jewed me so hardcore.

I've heard alot of bad things about the red tops.

Stay away from the generics.



DIV

[dustin]

I've heard alot of bad things about the red tops.

Stay away from the generics.



DIV

Yeah, no kidding. I know better now though.... after wasting close to a grand!

When it comes to peptides, it's best to go human grade. Same with gear too if you have the money. There are great, reputable UGLs but at the end of the day you just never know... me = severely pwned.