Are You a Tax Protester?

[Decker]

If an agency can write the rules is it a wonder they can win 99% of the time? Does the ability to write the rules mean you are being morally correct/right?

People suffer emotional and financial problems dealing with the IRS? Uh, who wouldnt? They threaten to and DO  take everything you own away from you.

In your questions are you talking about all taxes or one in particular? Do you believe that your income taxes go to all the services you say it does?

The rules/laws are out there.  And yes, sometimes they are unfair.  But I work rather closely with IRS and DOL regulations and I can tell you, the laws are constantly changing to meet the demands of the public.  IT's far from perfect--this responsivity--but it exists.  

Judges rule against the IRS all the time.  Not only does the IRS lose but it sometimes is penalized by the courts as well.  However, this never happens with tax protesters b/c taxpayer arguments are uninformed and ridiculous.

When TPs are told this, they don't try to learn what composes a valid argument, instead they get more absurd and belligerent.

The IRS doesn't take everything from everyone.  That's hyperbole.  I live well and I don't blame the IRS b/c I recently lost some money in the market.  I don't blame my losses on taxation ....I blame it on my stupidity.  (It's a good thing I listened to Neurotoxin)

The FAQ seems to address all taxes associated with income.

[Decker]

Greed? Give me a fucking break.

I'm against the current progressive tax system because it's morally wrong.

I'm against it because it takes an unfair percentage of money from me which I use to support my family and plan for my future.

Greed? The very idea is insulting and arrogant.

The FAQ addresses the legal arguments made by Tax Protesters.  It doesn't address personal feelings of morality re the progressive graded income tax schedule.

What you view as unfair, is viewed as eminently fair when considered in light of the taxpayer's ability to pay.  Should those making $15,000 a year pay the same flat rate as someone earning 1.5 million a year?  In a way, they do.

Why?  B/c with the progressive income tax--we all pay the same tax rate at the same bracket.

Think about that a second.  The higher tax rates of the higher tax brackets apply only to the dollars earned in those higher brackets.

[w8tlftr]

The FAQ addresses the legal arguments made by Tax Protesters.  It doesn't address personal feelings of morality re the progressive graded income tax schedule.

What you view as unfair, is viewed as eminently fair when considered in light of the taxpayer's ability to pay.  Should those making $15,000 a year pay the same flat rate as someone earning 1.5 million a year?  In a way, they do.

Why?  B/c with the progressive income tax--we all pay the same tax rate at the same bracket.

Think about that a second.  The higher tax rates of the higher tax brackets apply only to the dollars earned in those higher brackets.

We've gone round and round on this, my online friend. We always agree to disagree.

IMO, the flat tax (with ABSOLUTELY ZERO deductions) is the best compromise between the consumption tax and the progressive tax system.

It simplifies the tax code and eliminates loop holes.

If you make x amount of dollars.

10 percent of x is y.

Pay your tax.

Have a nice day.

[Decker]

We've gone round and round on this, my online friend. We always agree to disagree.

IMO, the flat tax (with ABSOLUTELY ZERO deductions) is the best compromise between the consumption tax and the progressive tax system.

It simplifies the tax code and eliminates loop holes.

If you make x amount of dollars.

10 percent of x is y.

Pay your tax.

Have a nice day.

I understand.  That makes sense. I do enjoy reading your posts.

[Dos Equis]

What's an acceptable tax rate?

Or are you looking for a free ride like the rest of the tax protester crowd.

Your motto:

AMERICA! THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH...NO THANKS TO MY CHEAP NON-TAX  PAYING ASS!

An acceptable rate is the lowest rate possible. 

I'm not a tax protestor.  I know a couple of them.  They're playing with fire. 

I do not like paying taxes.  I do not like sending my money to Washington D.C. where it is routinely squandered.  I do not like the fact my money is being used for this "bailout."  I do not like paying for pork barrel projects.  If they keep it up I might move to one of those islands that has no taxes. 

[Dos Equis]

The FAQ addresses the legal arguments made by Tax Protesters.  It doesn't address personal feelings of morality re the progressive graded income tax schedule.

What you view as unfair, is viewed as eminently fair when considered in light of the taxpayer's ability to pay.  Should those making $15,000 a year pay the same flat rate as someone earning 1.5 million a year?  In a way, they do.

Why?  B/c with the progressive income tax--we all pay the same tax rate at the same bracket.

Think about that a second.  The higher tax rates of the higher tax brackets apply only to the dollars earned in those higher brackets.

I disagree.  People making $15,000 a year probably pay zero with the earned income tax credit. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

The rules/laws are out there.  And yes, sometimes they are unfair.  But I work rather closely with IRS and DOL regulations and I can tell you, the laws are constantly changing to meet the demands of the public.  IT's far from perfect--this responsivity--but it exists.  

Judges rule against the IRS all the time.  Not only does the IRS lose but it sometimes is penalized by the courts as well.  However, this never happens with tax protesters b/c taxpayer arguments are uninformed and ridiculous.

When TPs are told this, they don't try to learn what composes a valid argument, instead they get more absurd and belligerent.

The IRS doesn't take everything from everyone.  That's hyperbole.  I live well and I don't blame the IRS b/c I recently lost some money in the market.  I don't blame my losses on taxation ....I blame it on my stupidity.  (It's a good thing I listened to Neurotoxin)

The FAQ seems to address all taxes associated with income.

Internal Revenue Code Book
Codes.
Written by lawyers.
From a law society.

Not my society. I don't understand the words they use because it's not my language.  If I can't understand something, why should I be forced to participate in it? The meanings of words always change to fit their interpretation. Has anyone read the Code book? Do people understand it? Do the people that work for the IRS understand it? If they don't, then from where and why do they get the authority to enforce the codes in it?  

By virtue of the fact you were born here, I believe you are entitled to certain things, (your natural/God given rights/freedom/not a slave). These things to which you are entitled to are not a result of "them" giving you something. Nobody gives you your rights, and if you operate upon that assumption,  they can then take them away. They offer "benefits" for taxes, I want my rights.

Liberty: The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor

When I work for an employer, I don't go to them as an agent of the government. I go as a free man. I am not offering my services to my employer so that some of my money can be taken away by a third party. The contract is between me and my employer, I shouldnt be forced to extend part of my private services to the government if i don't want to.