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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #100 on: October 15, 2008, 10:26:00 AM »
I think he should call himself 'piles'

because he's a pain in the arse that no one likes to see around.  :D

I was just joking of course, I think he's a good guy.
Very interesting discussions, also on the religion board.

Why are you two so snappy? Quite obviously, you both know a lot about the subject at hand. ???

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #101 on: October 15, 2008, 10:52:19 AM »
IF YOU WANNA GO THE NATURAL ROUTE :

EAT

LIFT WITH CARE (don't try to be ronnie )

more recovery time

RESULT : YOU'LL BE SMALL ...YOUR NATURAL PLATEAU ...WHATEVER THAT IS ...WON'T BE ANYTHINGTO WRITE MOMMY ABOUT

YOU'LL BE FATTER ....5'11" WILL BE 180 LBS LEAN @ 8% BODYFAT ...

UNDER 200 LBS WITH 10-12 @

UNDER 165-170 MAX WITH FATBURNERS AND 6 % BECAUSE NATURAL YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET VERY LEAN ...

SO EITHER WAY : NATURAL = NO BODYBUILDING   :-\

So yeah ...just eat and lift some and whatever mommy nature gave you you'll attain withing 3 years ...max ...and you'll stay there for as long as you lift and eat the same :

more calories + fater ..

but muscle wise : genetic limit

ps : apologies for the STFU ..  ;D
I agree. From my personal experience after that period any sensible gain is very hard to achieve naturally.

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #102 on: October 15, 2008, 11:11:41 AM »
I was just joking of course, I think he's a good guy.
Very interesting discussions, also on the religion board.

Why are you two so snappy? Quite obviously, you both know a lot about the subject at hand. ???

yes i like him too, its not often i come across someone who can put up a decent fight before i own them  ;D

i'm sure he ses it the same way, and doesn't really mean it when he says he will come to my house unless he's this guy:

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2008, 12:34:07 PM »
Many people down in my gym despite training for years with good strength have improved dramatically in size and strength when taught hopw to train properly.

One guy has put close to 100lbs on his bench naturally from 255-65-352

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2008, 12:50:22 PM »
Many people down in my gym despite training for years with good strength have improved dramatically in size and strength when taught hopw to train properly.

One guy has put close to 100lbs on his bench naturally from 255-65-352

and how is that? training wise - what is train properly? do you mean 5x5?
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« Reply #105 on: October 15, 2008, 02:26:33 PM »
and how is that? training wise - what is train properly? do you mean 5x5?

No not at all. I am also very very vague on my training log what i do and way i do it.

cycling weights. Training using proper exercises...the best esercises and getting good at them...form, frequency etc

5x5 works for me and works well but i am still only 22 so wiping my ass is gonna do more for me than someone else.

there is so muchb more to trianing than what you read in FLEX...however by no means at all is it complicated.

e.g there are chains in my gym the PLing team bought...i dont and refuse to use them...why? Unless i can bench 2x b/w naturally or squat 2.5x naturally or dead 3x naturally i dont see the point....too many things to get confused by and obsess over when more champion physiques ahve been built using a bar, squat rack bench and weights than any gods amount of bands chains balls etc.

Just my 2c

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« Reply #106 on: October 15, 2008, 02:42:26 PM »
Also just remembered...seen a flex article abt increasing bench press...one of the workout was 6x6 with 85% of ur 1RM  ::)

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« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2008, 02:59:55 PM »
No not at all. I am also very very vague on my training log what i do and way i do it.

cycling weights. Training using proper exercises...the best esercises and getting good at them...form, frequency etc

5x5 works for me and works well but i am still only 22 so wiping my ass is gonna do more for me than someone else.

there is so muchb more to trianing than what you read in FLEX...however by no means at all is it complicated.

e.g there are chains in my gym the PLing team bought...i dont and refuse to use them...why? Unless i can bench 2x b/w naturally or squat 2.5x naturally or dead 3x naturally i dont see the point....too many things to get confused by and obsess over when more champion physiques ahve been built using a bar, squat rack bench and weights than any gods amount of bands chains balls etc.

Just my 2c

its working for you thats for sure. you are a beast, tall too, so you have managed to fill a big frame, props.  8)
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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2008, 03:09:45 PM »
Also just remembered...seen a flex article abt increasing bench press...one of the workout was 6x6 with 85% of ur 1RM  ::)

Why the " ::)" John?  85% of 1RM for 6x6 seems like a good approach.  Do you think they should be going heavier?

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« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2008, 03:19:09 PM »
I know for a fact and most i know could not do 6x6 with 85% of their one rep max.

80% yes at a real push 85% no way

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« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2008, 03:21:40 PM »
its working for you thats for sure. you are a beast, tall too, so you have managed to fill a big frame, props.  8)

I would not say a beast lol

Though thanks for kind words

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2008, 03:25:42 PM »
I know for a fact and most i know could not do 6x6 with 85% of their one rep max.

80% yes at a real push 85% no way

Ahhh.  My 1RM sucks, so I could probably do it if I took a few minutes rest betwen sets.  Agreed, the last couple sets would be a struggle to make 6 tho.

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« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2008, 03:31:13 PM »
I estimate my 1rm at 375lbs

85% is 318lbs (145kg)

No way in Gods green earth i could do that for 2 sets of 6 never mind 6.

Maybe thats just me.

Possibly Tapeworm you are more slowtwitch rather than fast twitch muscle fibres

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2008, 03:34:26 PM »
yes i like him too, its not often i come across someone who can put up a decent fight before i own them  ;D

i'm sure he ses it the same way, and doesn't really mean it when he says he will come to my house unless he's this guy:

 :-\ ;D


dont try and back out now, this was all fun and games, now it's murder. Im boarding a plane right now.

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2008, 03:51:39 PM »
dont try and back out now, this was all fun and games, now it's murder. Im boarding a plane right now.

thats ok, i'll be waiting  ;D

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« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2008, 04:22:01 PM »
I estimate my 1rm at 375lbs

85% is 318lbs (145kg)

No way in Gods green earth i could do that for 2 sets of 6 never mind 6.

Maybe thats just me.

Possibly Tapeworm you are more slowtwitch rather than fast twitch muscle fibres

Could be.  I was a swimmer in my youth, and I still have the physique.  ::)

I've never attempted a 1RM fresh (although I've failed on rep 2 when fatigued  ;D).  I'd guess 240, maybe 250 on a good day.  :-\  Chest sucks.  I'm a deadlift man.  But what I NEED is an improved bench and squat.  That'll be the mission this time around.

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2008, 04:32:46 PM »
honest to god. Bench 2x a week. start at 170 and do 5x5. Explode each rep off your chest as fast as you can. Add 5lbs a workout. I bet you get to 225 for 5x5 in a short period of time providing the rest of your trining is sound and abole all you are patient.

Enjoy the days you leave teh gym knowing you have so much more in the tank. And knowing you will smoke every single rep.

I done thsi before at at time my 5x5 limit was 120kg (264) I started at 220lbs and added 5 lbs. Before i knew it i was at 275 5x5 (although this was murder)

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« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2008, 05:02:46 PM »
tapeworm - make sure to eat everything in sight straight after the workout.

at the very least drink 500ml of milk before and straight after the workout, then 30mins-1hour after a solid meal.

you can't go wrong.
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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #118 on: October 16, 2008, 01:43:47 AM »
tapeworm - make sure to eat everything in sight straight after the workout.

at the very least drink 500ml of milk before and straight after the workout, then 30mins-1hour after a solid meal.

you can't go wrong.
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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #119 on: October 16, 2008, 07:50:30 AM »
:D :D :D :D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

you little guru

I can only imagine what you looklike
Actually, I think milk is a great protein source if you can digest it properly. Its got a high absorption rate and very natural compared to processed protein shakes. However, there is no better protein source than egg whites, I eat 12 egg whites with a couple yolks thrown in before my workout and that works great for me.

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #120 on: October 16, 2008, 11:04:56 AM »
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you little guru

I can only imagine what you looklike

hahahahahahaha bigger than you gollum

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #121 on: October 16, 2008, 11:07:53 AM »
hahahahahahaha bigger than you gollum


are you as fat as you sound ?

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Re: best rep range for....mass/strength/both
« Reply #122 on: October 16, 2008, 11:12:40 AM »
are you as fat as you sound ?

well fatter than you - which lets face it wouldn't be hard.

when you going on your next bulking cycle of 4 bowls of soup a day and 1500mg of test  ::)

you looked great during the last one

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« Reply #123 on: October 16, 2008, 12:22:10 PM »
you are also extremely full of shit :

how big and how strong you get past whatever mommy nature gave you is directly proportional with the quality and quantity of hormones and aas providing that the calories are there ...

other than that you need muscle stimuly and frankly noone gives a fuck if it's heavy light or moderate ...YOU WILL GROW REGARDLESS

SO LIFT MODERATE , EAT RIGHT AND TAKE PLENTY OF QUALITY GEAR IF YOU WANT SIZE ...

TEST, DECA , D-BOL + FOOD

STFU with all that myofibril shit ...fukkin clown
lift moderate eat right and take plenty of guality gear
since you took 100 mg of dbol and 1 gram of test a week......you must have looked huge right?
THIS is what you looked like AFTER your cycle  :-\

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« Reply #124 on: October 16, 2008, 12:27:51 PM »
Totally agree about leaving gas in the tank. I stopped training to failure a long time ago (after being a "HIT" disciple for many years). My progress has been leaps and bounds since my HIT days. To top it off, I practiced HIT during my early 20's -- my peak years. I've now switched to non-failure training since about age 27, and have progressed far faster.

I agree with the progression of 5x5 training. You must progress very slowly, and temper your expectations. It can be as simple as benching 170 for 5x5 on the first week. Then repeating the next week with the first set at 175 for 5x5, and then 170 for the other 4 sets. And so on, until 4 weeks later, you can do 175 for 5x5. It's a very slow progresion, but the impact of that 5 week cycle on your 1RM is huge. Your 1RM at 170 for 5x5 will probably be about 10-20lbs less than your 1RM if you can do 175 for 5x5. Most bodybuilders fail because they start adding too much weight to the bar too fast, start getting stuck at 2 or 3 reps, and then start doing forced reps to finish their sets. The forced reps just burn out your CNS and before long, your form breaks down and your elbow or wrist goes on you, and you catch a cold on top of it all. You get set back a few weeks til you heal up, then try again. It's a never-ending vicious circle.

Take your time, and do it right.

Also, totally agree on 2x6 at 85% of 1RM. My max bench right now, which I actually did, is 390 -- not a pound more, if I'm totally honest. I would die trying to do 330 lbs for two sets of six. It would crush me. But if I had to do 12 reps with 330 because my training called for it, then I'd do those 12 reps spread out over the week on two days. Like this:

Day one Tuesday:

3 sets of 2 reps with 330

Day two Friday:

6 sets of 1 rep with 330

My form would be perfect. I would feel fresh on each rep. And I'd hit the rep target. The difference on the doubles versus singles is just to change up the motor unit recruitment a bit, for freshness and some mental variety. Also, doing a bunch of singles knowing I did doubles with it a few days earlier empowers you mentally -- you'll feel unstoppable when you hit the bench.

That's how I'd do it, for what it's worth.

Everything you say is totally spot on and i subscribe to it totally.

I never ever trian to failure etc. Reading this post is like an insight into my own thoughs into training partic the 1x 175 4x170 etc...i employ something very similar. And patience is essential. I grow more by not trianing to failure and feel stronger and get bigger.

At my gym there are 1lb plates. No one uses them though apart from myself and a few likeminded friends who also trainin a similar way...guess who makes the bigger and fastest progress?

People dont realise that when they are adding 10lbs a side that is 20lb total. 10% or more to a lot of peoples bench press. Adding even 2.5lbs a side will stretch the cycle out more and yield greater gains.

One of the best deadlift cycles i done was adding 5kg (11lbs) a week. This took immense patience but after the initail "this is too easy" i learned to appreciate and enjoy the days i was ripping it off the floor. They days whgen the squat ior bench press was tough and could look forward to an easy deadlift day etc.

My CNS was not taxed at all. And due to the neurologial effect of my training i was leaving the gym feeling fresher and stronger than when i came in.

That idea regarding tapewormis probaly a better idea than mine!