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Quotes for the ages
« on: October 23, 2008, 09:01:14 AM »
Quotes that the Democratic Party can be proud of (the only person not list is Sen. Harry Reid):

“It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy... Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate... And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you—not financially to help him—we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.” —Joe Biden

“I will look for those judges who have an outstanding judicial record, who have the intellect, and who hopefully have a sense of what real-world folks are going through.” —Barack Obama

“John McCain has been a party to the most significant redistribution of wealth in American history and it has been all the wrong way... [McCain believes in] trickle down, government is bad, markets are right [economics].” —Joe Biden

“Yes, I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of this money.” —Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)

“One hundred percent Barack Obama is going to win! He’s going to be our next president and a great president at that. We’re all excited to work with him.” —House Speaker Nancy Pelosi

“What I said, that indicted everybody, that’s not what I meant at all. What I mean is there’s still folks that have a problem voting for someone because they are black. This whole area, years ago, was really redneck.” —Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) “apologizing” for calling Western Pennsylvania racist

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2008, 10:11:00 AM »
John McCain:  "the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/mccain.asp

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2008, 12:00:40 PM »
John McCain:  "the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/mccain.asp
There ARE some very good people in the Democratic party.  The folks in charge right now don't want them to be heard from, so you can only hear the Pelosi's, Reids, Murthas, and GaffeMaster Joe Bidens loud and clear.  My father-in-law is a STAUNCH Democratic and he's one of my heros.  He's the last true statesman that there is, and even he admits that the Democratic Party is going in a direction far from what he was ever part of.  He calls the party now a bunch of people with some serious "diarrhea of the mouth."

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2008, 12:03:43 PM »


“Yes, I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of this money.” —Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)


Decker would be proud of this one.   :-\

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2008, 12:09:20 PM »
There ARE some very good people in the Democratic party.  The folks in charge right now don't want them to be heard from, so you can only hear the Pelosi's, Reids, Murthas, and GaffeMaster Joe Bidens loud and clear.  My father-in-law is a STAUNCH Democratic and he's one of my heros.  He's the last true statesman that there is, and even he admits that the Democratic Party is going in a direction far from what he was ever part of.  He calls the party now a bunch of people with some serious "diarrhea of the mouth."

I agree, and the consensus of many it seems is that it has happened to both parties.

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008, 12:38:26 PM »
Here's another quote from McCain (before he became a pandering whore)

I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief.  I really believe, that when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 12:47:34 PM »
Decker would be proud of this one.   :-\
Since the wealthy got a disproportionate amount of governmental largesse from Bush, I'd say they owe the People a little something.

"Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study."

"Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners."

"Though tax cuts for the rich were bigger than those for other groups, the wealthiest families paid a bigger share of total taxes. That is because their incomes have climbed far more rapidly, and the gap between rich and poor has widened in the last several years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html

That's right Beach Bum, I forgot...millionaires should have their tax burden reduced so that the social programs needed by the poor should be paid for by the poor thus defeating the very sensible notion that those with the strongest arms do the heaviest lifting.

Let's get those goddam elderly back to work!  Children...they can carry their fair share!  To hell with SS or AFDC.  Let's give those millionaires a tax cut!


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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2008, 12:47:54 PM »
Here's another quote from McCain (before he became a pandering whore)

I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief.  I really believe, that when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more

that "spread the wealth" socialist!

LOL    :o

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008, 12:50:24 PM »
I agree, and the consensus of many it seems is that it has happened to both parties.
Hence the name RINO (Republican In Name Only)

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2008, 12:53:30 PM »
Since the wealthy got a disproportionate amount of governmental largesse from Bush, I'd say they owe the People a little something.

"Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study."

"Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners."

"Though tax cuts for the rich were bigger than those for other groups, the wealthiest families paid a bigger share of total taxes. That is because their incomes have climbed far more rapidly, and the gap between rich and poor has widened in the last several years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html

That's right Beach Bum, I forgot...millionaires should have their tax burden reduced so that the social programs needed by the poor should be paid for by the poor thus defeating the very sensible notion that those with the strongest arms do the heaviest lifting.

Let's get those goddam elderly back to work!  Children...they can carry their fair share!  To hell with SS or AFDC.  Let's give those millionaires a tax cut!



Who mentioned millionaires?  Barney Frank said "very rich people," who Obama defines as anyone (or business) making over $250K a year. 

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2008, 12:53:42 PM »
that "spread the wealth" socialist!

LOL    :o

yep - just like his running mate.

She along with other Republicans pushed through a windfall profit tax on oil companies and spread that wealth to every man, woman and child in Alaska.  I wonder why you never hear McCain or Palin talking about this.  This is one of her biggest accomplishments as governor.

"Palin's administration last week gained legislative approval for a special $1,200 payment to every Alaskan to help cope with gas prices, which are among the highest in the country.

That check will come on top of the annual dividend of about $2,000 that each resident could receive this year from an oil-wealth savings account.

State Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat who supported the windfall tax, said the oil companies " ... were literally printing money on the North Slope. We decided to strike the balance a little bit more on our side."




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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2008, 01:01:11 PM »
Who mentioned millionaires?  Barney Frank said "very rich people," who Obama defines as anyone (or business) making over $250K a year. 
The article I posted mentions millionaires.

250k a year is pretty rich.  Isn't it?

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2008, 01:13:24 PM »
The article I posted mentions millionaires.

250k a year is pretty rich.  Isn't it?

No.  Wealth is determined by net worth, not income.  The $250K is a number Obama pulled out of his rear end. 

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2008, 01:20:05 PM »
No.  Wealth is determined by net worth, not income.  The $250K is a number Obama pulled out of his rear end. 

But you're aware that Obama is talking about income right?

You're also aware that his plan includes no change in Cap Gains if your income is < 250k

You're also aware that he's proposing a 50% tax credit for the amount that small businesses pay for their employees health insurance right?

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2008, 01:23:34 PM »
Here's another quote from McCain (before he became a pandering whore)

I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief.  I really believe, that when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more

great way to show proof that he actually said that...

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2008, 01:29:35 PM »
“There’s one big difference between me and the others–I won’t take every last dime of the surplus and spend it on tax cuts that mostly benefit the wealthy.” [McCain campaign commercial, January 2000]

“I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers.” [McCain Senate floor statement, May 21, 2001]

“But when you look at the percentage of the tax cuts that–as the previous tax cuts–that go to the wealthiest Americans, you will find that the bulk of it, again, goes to wealthiest Americans.” [NBC’s “Today,” Jan. 7, 2003]

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2008, 01:49:52 PM »
But you're aware that Obama is talking about income right?

You're also aware that his plan includes no change in Cap Gains if your income is < 250k

You're also aware that he's proposing a 50% tax credit for the amount that small businesses pay for their employees health insurance right?
Discussing actual platforms could get you in deep trouble my friend.

Let's ease back on into talking about the evils of socialism or Obama's birth certificate.

Enquiring minds want to know!

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2008, 02:01:25 PM »
Biden living up to his gaffe-prone reputation
By John M. Broder
International Herald Tribune (iht.com)
Thursday, September 11, 2008

Senator Joseph Biden Jr., the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, is an experienced, serious and smart man. But he does say some curious things. A day on the campaign trail without some cringe-inducing gaffe is a rare blessing. He has not been too blessed lately.

Just this week, he mused that Senator Barack Obama might have been better off with Hillary Rodham Clinton as his running mate.

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America," Biden said Wednesday in Nashua, New Hampshire. "Quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me."


Earlier in the week, in Columbia, Missouri, Biden urged a paraplegic state official to stand up to be recognized.

"Chuck, stand up, let the people see you," Biden shouted to State Senator Chuck Graham, before realizing, to his horror, that Graham uses a wheelchair. "Oh, God love ya," Biden said. "What am I talking about?"


But it was the Clinton remarks that touched a potentially sensitive spot for the Obama-Biden ticket. With Sarah Palin's addition to the Republican ticket potentially energizing some women voters, Biden's remarks raised anew a legitimate question of whether Obama would have been better off picking the former first lady as his running mate. One could imagine Senator John McCain's campaign even using Biden's remarks in their own ads to exploit female misgivings about the Democratic ticket.

Obama knew what he was getting when he picked Biden as his running mate: A veteran of six terms in the Senate, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and former chairman of the Judiciary Committee, an Irish Catholic with working-class roots, a guy who had twice been tested in the arena of presidential politics.

And a human verbal wrecking crew. This is the fellow who nearly derailed his nascent presidential campaign last year by calling Obama bright and clean and articulate and who noted that you needed a slight Indian accent to walk into a Dunkin' Donuts or 7-11 in Delaware.

The guy who, reading his vice-presidential acceptance speech from a TelePrompter, bungled McCain's name, calling him "George" ("Freudian slip, folks, Freudian slip," he explained).

The guy who, on the day Obama announced him as his running mate, referred to his party's presidential nominee as "Barack America" and noted that his own wife, Jill, a college professor, was "drop-dead gorgeous" but who, problematically, possessed a doctorate.

The guy who has said he is running for president (not vice president) and who confused army brigades with battalions. Who referred to his Republican vice-presidential opponent as the lieutenant governor of Alaska.

Aides to Obama said that Biden's propensity to misspeak could pose problems, particularly in the vice-presidential debate on Oct. 2. They are watching his performance on the trail warily, but so far have not tried to rein him in.

But they have assigned a couple of veteran minders to travel with him - David Wilhelm, the former Democratic National Committee chairman, and David Wade, former spokesman for Senator John Kerry. Wade said that Biden's occasional stumbles prove to voters that he is human and that they help them relate to the candidate.

"It would be a huge mistake to try to strip away the authenticity that's been his greatest strength for 35 years," Wade said. "For anybody who's gone to Joe Biden events and watched how voters connect with him, there's a pretty big gap between the expectations of the elite media who seem to crave scripted, blow-dried drones out of central casting instead of regular folks who want to see some honesty and candor. They appreciate it that he takes the voters seriously and doesn't take himself too seriously."

Wade added: "I've never heard a voter say they wanted someone who was more scripted, more slick and who talks to me in sound bites. If they wanted stuffed shirts, we'd be preparing for an October debate with Mitt Romney."

Those who have known Biden for a long time say they see him as a man with an equally big heart and mouth.

"He has overwhelming support here, he's well liked," said James Baker, mayor of Wilmington, Delaware, Biden's home. "We forgive him every once in a while when he says something dumb - 'Oh, that's just Joe."'

Biden recognizes that his tongue sometimes ventures ahead of his brain and often catches himself with a smile.

In Fort Myers, Florida, last week, he referred to the "Biden administration," before quickly correcting himself to say the "Obama-Biden administration."

"Believe me, that wasn't a Freudian slip," he said, laughing and crossing himself. "Oh lordy day, I tell ya."

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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2008, 02:03:05 PM »
"Mark my words... t will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking... we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.  I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate [Biden then mentioned the Middle East and Russia as possibilities.]  And he's gonna need help...we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." - Joe Biden


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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2008, 02:10:07 PM »
great way to show proof that he actually said that...

It's a well known statement by McCain but just in case you think it's fake.

Speech from the Senate floor, May 26 2001:  http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2001_record&page=S5789&position=all


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Re: Quotes for the ages
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2008, 02:11:01 PM »
"Mark my words... t will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking... we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.  I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate [Biden then mentioned the Middle East and Russia as possibilities.]  And he's gonna need help...we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." - Joe Biden



I need to add this to my Biden foot in mouth thread.  :)

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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2008, 02:17:50 PM »
"Mark my words... t will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking... we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.  I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate [Biden then mentioned the Middle East and Russia as possibilities.]  And he's gonna need help...we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." - Joe Biden

Lieberman said essentially the same thing.

BTW - Bush tested in the first year of his administration and the doofus attacked the wrong country, let Bin Laden escape in Pakistan and still hasn't managed to button up either operation almost 6 years after the fact.

I'm sure Obama can do better than that