Did republicans really want to win it this time?

[drkaje]

My guess is they didn't want the white house but had to make sure Hillary didn't get the nod.

[MB_722]

no

this election is a joke.

[24KT]

I think Mccain wanted it, ...but the higher ups said no.

[drkaje]

McCain is old and possibly sick. I'm not 240 or anything but there has to be some reason why his medical records will not be released.

So what we have here is a referendum on Palin for president enacted by the same party that has been saying women are unfit to lead a long long time.

Or, they gambled on Americans 'remembering' his race during that private moment in the ballot box.

No one in the country could have possibly stopped Hillary Clinton from becoming president but Obama.

The economy is going to suck even worse pretty soon and things in Iraq are probably going to go downhill too. Maybe they wanted an administration change so people would forget who got us into this mess.

[OzmO]

The Luke has made a prediction concerning this.  the way they are running their campaign it sure makes me wonder sometimes.

[240 is Back]

Mccain is 72 years old, and has had cancer 4 times.

Mccain smoked 2 packs a day for 25 years.

He has degenerative arthritis.
He's had cataract surgery.

Also, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, he's
Arthritic, has had Vertigo.

He's on 6 different medications including for
Kidneys, cholesterol, sleep, blood clots.

And he wants the most stressful job on Earth.


IMO, however, they have the technology to keep anyone alive if they pump them with enough marrow and antibiotics and aci berry and god knows what else.  Palin coming in though - that's a nightmare.

[drkaje]

Mccain is 72 years old, and has had cancer 4 times.

Mccain smoked 2 packs a day for 25 years.

He has degenerative arthritis.
He's had cataract surgery.

Also, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, he's
Arthritic, has had Vertigo.

He's on 6 different medications including for
Kidneys, cholesterol, sleep, blood clots.

And he wants the most stressful job on Earth.


IMO, however, they have the technology to keep anyone alive if they pump them with enough marrow and antibiotics and aci berry and god knows what else.  Palin coming in though - that's a nightmare.

Don't forget the mental damage done as a POW and probably severe PTSD.

[240 is Back]

Don't forget the mental damage done as a POW and probably severe PTSD.

Cindy McCain said John never suffered from any of that.

Q: You met your husband after his POW days. To what extent is that still with you - or is it a part of history?

McCAIN: My husband will be the first one to tell you that that’s in the past. Certainly it’s a part of who he is, but he doesn’t dwell on it. It’s not part of a daily experience that we experience or anything like that. But it has shaped him. It has made him the leader that he is.

Q: But no cold sweats in the middle of the night?

McCAIN: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. My husband, he’d be the first one to tell you that he was trained to do what he was doing. The guys who had the trouble were the 18-year-olds who were drafted. He was trained, he went to the Naval Academy, he was a trained United States naval officer, and so he knew what he was doing.

[24KT]

oh mccain

2 mccains

[Hedgehog]

It's incredible that McCain won really.

He ran against some really solid Republican competition, and IMO the GOP was suckered the moment Giuliani didn't get the nod.

But McCain didn't stop there.

Instead of picking a vice-president with experience, and with economical credibility, he went with...Sarah fcuking Palin.

Thus effectively eliminating any kind of possibility for playing the experience card against Obama.

And picking Romney as a VP seemed like a very easy choice, with his experience in economical matters.

But hell no.

McCain went with Palin.

Incredible.

So this year it's not really Obama winning the presidency.

It's about the Republicans handing it to him, for whatever reason.


Another thing - McCain starting to mumble about not doing the debate, because he had to go to DC to fix the bailout.

Then he did the debate after all.

But the bailout vote failed. Despite McCain's "fixing".

Then the bailout was fixed - without McCain.

And he voted with it - despite it having several "earmarks" that he claims to despise so much.

And just the other day McCain decides to critizise George W Bush.

Hello? They're members of the same party. McCain has voted for Bush's budget.

He's just all over the place.

[Dos Equis]

You could ask the same question about Democrats.  I'm am still amazed that Obama is the Democrat nominee.  The most unqualified nominee I can remember.  The whole cast of Democrat candidates was terrible.  And they have the man who Democrats have repeatedly rejected as the VP nominee. 

Not crazy about McCain either, but he's certainly a better candidate and far more qualified than Obama. 

[drkaje]

Hard to say, BB

On age alone, Obama is a more attractive candidate. Plus, McCain had been playing the outsider role for years in washington trying to get campaign finance reform to level the playing field.

Obama was immediately more viable, simply by being able to raise his hands.

[Dos Equis]

Hard to say, BB

On age alone, Obama is a more attractive candidate. Plus, McCain had been playing the outsider role for years in washington trying to get campaign finance reform to level the playing field.

Obama was immediately more viable, simply by being able to raise his hands.

Why do you say age alone made Obama more attractive? 

[CQ]

You could ask the same question about Democrats.  I'm am still amazed that Obama is the Democrat nominee.  The most unqualified nominee I can remember.  The whole cast of Democrat candidates was terrible.  And they have the man who Democrats have repeatedly rejected as the VP nominee. 

Not crazy about McCain either, but he's certainly a better candidate and far more qualified than Obama. 

Fact remains regardless of opinion - he has raised more money then anyone else in history both overall, per month in the primaries, per month in general, had most donors in history, attracted the most to his rallies holding the top records by himself etc. Minimum 5 records. Therefore he obviously has some appeal, McCain holds, uh, no records. You or any others may think he isn't a good candidate, fair enough, but public sentiment, facts and records he set show differing opinions from yours are held by mass amounts of people.

[Hugo Chavez]

You could ask the same question about Democrats.  I'm am still amazed that Obama is the Democrat nominee.  The most unqualified nominee I can remember.  The whole cast of Democrat candidates was terrible.  And they have the man who Democrats have repeatedly rejected as the VP nominee. 

Not crazy about McCain either, but he's certainly a better candidate and far more qualified than Obama. 

We're in a time where people in general want the new and feel like we're here because of the failures of the same old same old.  I think people are hungry to change directions.

[drkaje]

Why do you say age alone made Obama more attractive? 

McCain doesn't look healthy. This isn't Ronald Regan where people wanted a change of the guard. Republicans have had total control for years and it could just be a case of rats leaving a sinking ship. Once reality sets in and we know how long the US will have to be in Iraq and what it will cost, people are going to be pissed. Don't even get started on how much uncertainty the market will have once people accept the US being in a recession.

This really isn't a good time to be in power and tax cuts aren't going to save us. There was a time when people believed "when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging", now we're being told it's possible to borrow ourselves out of debt.

I don't trust either of them. I just trust McCain less and really am troubled that he either can't see or admit that Iraq was a horrible mistake and invading Iran next makes sense. I respected the heck out of him and would have gladly voted for the old John McCain but at this point hearing him talk about foreign policy reminds me of the old tapes on the Domino Theory.

They both suck. One just sucks a little bit less.

[Colossus_500]

I think Mccain wanted it, ...but the higher ups said no.

Hey, Judy, who are you voting for? 





oh wait......




you can't vote, right? 

[Benny B]

It's incredible that McCain won really.

He ran against some really solid Republican competition, and IMO the GOP was suckered the moment Giuliani didn't get the nod.

You're clueless. The competition was never very great and Giuliani was terrible. He's absolute garbage and never had a real shot at being the Repube's nominee.

That said, if you had asked me around this time last year, I thought Romney would be the Repube nominee, even though he is a solid gold plated phony.

[shootfighter1]

This election should have been Hillary vs Romney.  The American people chose poorly IMO.

[drkaje]

Gulliani had a very public and ugly divorce. it's likely he could have never really stood up to a detailed investigation.

[Dos Equis]

Fact remains regardless of opinion - he has raised more money then anyone else in history both overall, per month in the primaries, per month in general, had most donors in history, attracted the most to his rallies holding the top records by himself etc. Minimum 5 records. Therefore he obviously has some appeal, McCain holds, uh, no records. You or any others may think he isn't a good candidate, fair enough, but public sentiment, facts and records he set show differing opinions from yours are held by mass amounts of people.

He gives a good speech.  That's his most redeeming quality.  Other than that, he's a garden variety leftwing liberal.  Setting records doesn't mean anything to me.  I care more about substance.    

I guess we'll see the genuine facts on election day.  I'll be surprised if the media christening translates into an election day landslide.  

[Dos Equis]

We're in a time where people in general want the new and feel like we're here because of the failures of the same old same old.  I think people are hungry to change directions.

That's probably true, except Obama doesn't represent change.  He's a far left liberal with the same liberal ideas. 

[shootfighter1]

Obama is a very impressive speaker.  I see why he moves so many.  Just wish he was a moderate democrat like Bill Clinton.  By history, he is not.

[Dos Equis]

McCain doesn't look healthy. This isn't Ronald Regan where people wanted a change of the guard. Republicans have had total control for years and it could just be a case of rats leaving a sinking ship. Once reality sets in and we know how long the US will have to be in Iraq and what it will cost, people are going to be pissed. Don't even get started on how much uncertainty the market will have once people accept the US being in a recession.

This really isn't a good time to be in power and tax cuts aren't going to save us. There was a time when people believed "when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging", now we're being told it's possible to borrow ourselves out of debt.

I don't trust either of them. I just trust McCain less and really am troubled that he either can't see or admit that Iraq was a horrible mistake and invading Iran next makes sense. I respected the heck out of him and would have gladly voted for the old John McCain but at this point hearing him talk about foreign policy reminds me of the old tapes on the Domino Theory.

They both suck. One just sucks a little bit less.

He does look old.  He did not age well IMO.