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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #100 on: October 18, 2008, 07:26:36 PM »
I find Maher's stuff very entertaining. The problem you have with him is that he says things that you don't agree with. You want to criticize the movie without ever even watching it.

How do I say this.  There is a word I'm looking for.  I think it's "duh."   :)

It is true I don't like him because I disagree with his comments.  I didn't like the fact he called the 911 terrorists courageous.  I didn't like the fact he made fun of Palin's Down Syndrome baby.  The guy is an idiot.  

And yes I'll criticize the movie without watching it.  I don't need to watch it. Just like I don't need to watch chick flicks to know I don't like them.

But just to keep things in perspective, he's a standup comic.    

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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #101 on: October 18, 2008, 07:32:26 PM »
How do I say this.  There is a word I'm looking for.  I think it's "duh."   :)

It is true I don't like him because I disagree with his comments.  I didn't like the fact he called the 911 terrorists courageous.  I didn't like the fact he made fun of Palin's Down Syndrome baby.  The guy is an idiot.  

And yes I'll criticize the movie without watching it.  I don't need to watch it. Just like I don't need to watch chick flicks to know I don't like them.

But just to keep things in perspective, he's a standup comic.    

so......how often do you criticize things you know nothing about?half the time?all the time?
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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #102 on: October 18, 2008, 07:37:42 PM »
so......how often do you criticize things you know nothing about?half the time?all the time?

Whenever I feel like it.   :)

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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #104 on: October 26, 2008, 04:15:29 PM »
Where the fuck have you been?

Jihadist training facilities in Pakistan or something I assume?

Are you planning a Muslim takeover in the UK or something? ;D
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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #105 on: October 26, 2008, 04:20:55 PM »
Another one of those atheists who can't stop talking about something he doesn't believe in.   ::)

Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
Friday, August 22, 2008

By Roger Friedman
AP

Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie

“Religion is detrimental to the progress of society.” That’s my favorite quote from Bill Maher’s often brilliant, but often unfocused “documentary,” called “Religulous.” It opens in early October right after its debut at the Toronto Film Festival.

The articulate, quick-witted comedian sets out in this film — which was supposed to have been released last Easter — to prove that line is true. Directed by Larry Charles, the man who put "Borat" together so skillfully, "Religulous" is blatant about Maher’s feelings: religion is bad. All religions are bad. They are ruining everything.

If you go for that, then "Religulous" is for you. Unlike Michael Moore, whose controversial films at least allow stories to be told, Maher is not interested in other viewpoints. Rather, "Religulous" is a long Maher spiel that pauses only to underscore his own points.

At first the film is very funny as Maher gently mocks one organized religion after another. He questions just about everything in Catholicism, even though he was raised Catholic. (His mother is Jewish, but threw it all over for the father.) Everything from the Immaculate Conception to crucifixion re-enactments are covered. By the time “Religulous” is over, the faith-seekers in the audience will have scratched Catholic off their possibilities.

Not that the other major religious groups don’t come in for razzing, either. Maher is brutal to Orthodox Jews and just as nasty to Muslims. (He interviews gay Muslims in Amsterdam, a city where he also smokes a lot of pot and finds many easy laughs.) Mormons get it, and so do Scientologists, whom Maher mocks in London’s Hyde Park.

Maher sends up everything outrageous and unusual in religion, cherry-picking the fringe elements wherever he can find them. There’s no question that he’s serious in his endeavors, and for a while following him feels like it’s going to lead somewhere.

Alas, it doesn’t. Unlike "Borat," or even a Moore film, “Religulous” is a dead end. In the last quarter, the laughs peter out as we realize the exploration is pointless. The film concludes with a long, very not funny, tedious speech by Maher — in which he rails against religion — that should clear theaters before the credits start rolling.

Right now you can see a trailer for "Religulous" on LionsGate’s Web site. Interestingly, it’s linked another site called disbelief.net. Obviously, a parody site designed just for the film, disbelief.net is registered to an unknown group in the Cayman Islands. It features the quotes of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, videos from the Church of Scientology Web site and a link to a Christian yoga video collection starring (whatever happened to) ‘Northern Exposure” star Janine Turner.

“Religulous” is a tough call. Will audiences flock to theatres to see it? That depends on just how many atheists there are at the popcorn stand. Maher’s point, that the world would be a better place without any religions, that wars would be eliminated and there would be universal understanding, comes across simultaneously as utopian and cynical.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408782,00.html


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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #106 on: October 29, 2008, 09:44:33 AM »
Religulous -- Deceiving Its Way into the Creation Museum

Thursday October 9, 2008



The official synopsis for Religulous says that Bill Maher "applies his characteristic honesty" to the subject of faith. Apparently, he has a somewhat selective definition of honesty. I've noted the sleights of hand used with Francis Collins and John Adams.

Consider, too, what they did to the Creation Museum near Cincinnati.

Now, in a documentary on religion, I think it's fair game to probe creationism and the role of "young earth" theology in public policy making. So I can understand why Maher was dying to get his crew inside the Museum and interview the leaders of the Museum. But he faced a problem. As a well known critic of religion, there's no way the Museum would give him free run of the museum. They'd turned down request to appear on Maher's TV show, figuring that they would simply become an object of ridicule.

So, Maher and company tricked them.

First, they secured cooperation by completely concealing Bill Maher's role in the movie. According to representatives of the Museum, on January 30, 2007, they got an email from someone named Bethany Davis. She gushed that "photos of the museum on your website are awe inspiring and we feel that showcasing this amazing museum to a broad audience would add to spreading the word of Answers In Genesis."The "documentary" would "explore the cultural landscape of the United States through highlighting religious centers, historical sites and key religious experts." They noted that the "producers involved have worked on various projects for CBS news, ABC news, Discovery Channel, FX and MSNBC to name a few." (Full email below the fold)

There was no mention of Bill Maher.

According to Ken Ham, the president of the Museum, here's what happened next. On the day of the interview, the crew (but not Maher) showed up at the main entrance, as planned, to interview Ham. He spoke to them about the Museum and gave a tour. Again, no mention of Maher.

After a while, the crew requested to interview Ham in his office. Maher snuck in a side door of the museum (picture, from a security camera, above) and went to Ham's office. Ham says he doesn't get HBO and didn't remember who Maher was. He assumed he was another reporter from the crew. He gave an interview which became the grist for a brutal segment in Religulous.

Ham saw the movie recently and claims, not surprisingly, that Maher left out parts where he was best defending his position. "Their agenda was to mock people," Ham said. "They don't believe in ethics."

Asked to comment on the idea that they tricked the Creation Museum into cooperating, the director, Larry Charles, sent me this statement via email:

"Ken Ham is a media whore. He has cultivated all sorts of media outlets to promote his agenda. Why should he be allowed to get off the hook? Why shouldn't he be asked some tough questions? He has built this quasi-museum to quasi-science, isn't there a journalistic obligation to scrutinize this?
He has gotten a free ride from the media. He is a dangerous man. We don't even know where the money comes from to build that $30 million museum. If Mike Wallace had grilled him for '60 Minutes', we wouldn't be having this conversation. Just because someone doesn't want to talk to us, doesn't mean they shouldn't be talked to."


The ends, in other words, justify the means. Now, as I said at the outset, I think Creation Science is certainly a fair topic for a movie like this. But for a movie that draws blood by accusing religious figures of dishonesty and hypocrisy, it's more than a little ironic that deception was such a central part of their modus operandi.

It would be one thing if Bill Maher marketed this only as a prank-filled comedy. But Religulous claims to be a "documentary" that raises profound questions of life and death. How can we take it seriously as a documentary if it relied so heavily on deceit?

The full email:

Dear Mr. Ken Ham,
My name is Bethany Davis and I am currently working on a documentary for First Word Productions, an independent production company.

Our documentary seeks to explore the cultural landscape of the United States through highlighting religious centers, historical sites and key religious experts. The producers involved have worked on various projects for CBS news, ABC news, Discovery Channel, FX and MSNBC to name a few.

After seeing one of your speaking engagements, and then further researching Answers In Genesis and The Creationist Museum we think you could be an invaluable inclusion in our exploration. Reading through some of your online material, we believe that you and your museum can illustrate Creationism in an insightful and engaging way that will appeal to our audience. We would be especially thrilled to be able to include a guided tour of the Creationist Museum with you. The photos of the museum on your website are awe inspiring and we feel that showcasing this amazing museum to a broad audience would add to spreading the word of Answers In Genesis

I'd love to discuss the details of this project with you further over the phone. I can be reached at

323-860-3553
323-202-7343

or via email. When might be a good time to call and where can I best reach you?
I look forward to hearing from you.

All the Best,
Bethany Davis

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/10/religulous-use-of-deceit-in-ge.html

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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2008, 01:33:57 PM »
Religulous -- Deceiving Its Way into the Creation Museum

Thursday October 9, 2008



The official synopsis for Religulous says that Bill Maher "applies his characteristic honesty" to the subject of faith. Apparently, he has a somewhat selective definition of honesty. I've noted the sleights of hand used with Francis Collins and John Adams.

Consider, too, what they did to the Creation Museum near Cincinnati.

Now, in a documentary on religion, I think it's fair game to probe creationism and the role of "young earth" theology in public policy making. So I can understand why Maher was dying to get his crew inside the Museum and interview the leaders of the Museum. But he faced a problem. As a well known critic of religion, there's no way the Museum would give him free run of the museum. They'd turned down request to appear on Maher's TV show, figuring that they would simply become an object of ridicule.

So, Maher and company tricked them.

First, they secured cooperation by completely concealing Bill Maher's role in the movie. According to representatives of the Museum, on January 30, 2007, they got an email from someone named Bethany Davis. She gushed that "photos of the museum on your website are awe inspiring and we feel that showcasing this amazing museum to a broad audience would add to spreading the word of Answers In Genesis."The "documentary" would "explore the cultural landscape of the United States through highlighting religious centers, historical sites and key religious experts." They noted that the "producers involved have worked on various projects for CBS news, ABC news, Discovery Channel, FX and MSNBC to name a few." (Full email below the fold)

There was no mention of Bill Maher.

According to Ken Ham, the president of the Museum, here's what happened next. On the day of the interview, the crew (but not Maher) showed up at the main entrance, as planned, to interview Ham. He spoke to them about the Museum and gave a tour. Again, no mention of Maher.

After a while, the crew requested to interview Ham in his office. Maher snuck in a side door of the museum (picture, from a security camera, above) and went to Ham's office. Ham says he doesn't get HBO and didn't remember who Maher was. He assumed he was another reporter from the crew. He gave an interview which became the grist for a brutal segment in Religulous.

Ham saw the movie recently and claims, not surprisingly, that Maher left out parts where he was best defending his position. "Their agenda was to mock people," Ham said. "They don't believe in ethics."

Asked to comment on the idea that they tricked the Creation Museum into cooperating, the director, Larry Charles, sent me this statement via email:

"Ken Ham is a media whore. He has cultivated all sorts of media outlets to promote his agenda. Why should he be allowed to get off the hook? Why shouldn't he be asked some tough questions? He has built this quasi-museum to quasi-science, isn't there a journalistic obligation to scrutinize this?
He has gotten a free ride from the media. He is a dangerous man. We don't even know where the money comes from to build that $30 million museum. If Mike Wallace had grilled him for '60 Minutes', we wouldn't be having this conversation. Just because someone doesn't want to talk to us, doesn't mean they shouldn't be talked to."


The ends, in other words, justify the means. Now, as I said at the outset, I think Creation Science is certainly a fair topic for a movie like this. But for a movie that draws blood by accusing religious figures of dishonesty and hypocrisy, it's more than a little ironic that deception was such a central part of their modus operandi.

It would be one thing if Bill Maher marketed this only as a prank-filled comedy. But Religulous claims to be a "documentary" that raises profound questions of life and death. How can we take it seriously as a documentary if it relied so heavily on deceit?

The full email:

Dear Mr. Ken Ham,
My name is Bethany Davis and I am currently working on a documentary for First Word Productions, an independent production company.

Our documentary seeks to explore the cultural landscape of the United States through highlighting religious centers, historical sites and key religious experts. The producers involved have worked on various projects for CBS news, ABC news, Discovery Channel, FX and MSNBC to name a few.

After seeing one of your speaking engagements, and then further researching Answers In Genesis and The Creationist Museum we think you could be an invaluable inclusion in our exploration. Reading through some of your online material, we believe that you and your museum can illustrate Creationism in an insightful and engaging way that will appeal to our audience. We would be especially thrilled to be able to include a guided tour of the Creationist Museum with you. The photos of the museum on your website are awe inspiring and we feel that showcasing this amazing museum to a broad audience would add to spreading the word of Answers In Genesis

I'd love to discuss the details of this project with you further over the phone. I can be reached at

323-860-3553
323-202-7343

or via email. When might be a good time to call and where can I best reach you?
I look forward to hearing from you.

All the Best,
Bethany Davis

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/10/religulous-use-of-deceit-in-ge.html

This is why Bill Maher is one of my favorite mentors!  Brilliant!  Sneaky but brilliant!  Also, before everyone gets flustered please consider for a moment that Bill's dishonesty doesn't make religion any less silly and great fun to sit and laugh at with some tasty popcorn. 

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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #108 on: October 29, 2008, 02:10:40 PM »
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« Reply #109 on: October 29, 2008, 02:15:15 PM »




good interviews.
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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #110 on: October 29, 2008, 03:02:45 PM »
Law enforcement tricks criminals into giving up info they wouldn't had they known they were cops. I really see no difference here.

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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2008, 06:37:44 PM »
Law enforcement tricks criminals into giving up info they wouldn't had they known they were cops. I really see no difference here.

So now we Christians are all criminals?    ::)

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« Reply #112 on: October 29, 2008, 07:44:52 PM »
So now we Christians are all criminals?    ::)

not all of you.
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« Reply #113 on: October 30, 2008, 05:13:24 AM »
So now we Christians are all criminals?    ::)
It was an example of using tactics to get info/give up info that you can't get voluntarily. Come loco you know that's not what I meant.

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« Reply #114 on: October 30, 2008, 07:28:56 AM »
It was an example of using tactics to get info/give up info that you can't get voluntarily. Come loco you know that's not what I meant.

You said you don't really see the difference, so I did not know what you meant. 

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« Reply #115 on: October 30, 2008, 11:36:16 AM »
You said you don't really see the difference, so I did not know what you meant. 
Well now that you do, why is it such a controversy? If our law enforcement wants straight answers, they use trickery. So if Maher wanted straight answers, why is what he did wrong if what he got was the straight answers? He didn't force them to reply. What's wrong with finding out what really is going on?

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« Reply #116 on: October 30, 2008, 12:04:49 PM »
Well now that you do, why is it such a controversy? If our law enforcement wants straight answers, they use trickery. So if Maher wanted straight answers, why is what he did wrong if what he got was the straight answers? He didn't force them to reply. What's wrong with finding out what really is going on?

Now that I do what?  He can lie, cheat, deceive, and commit all kinds of dishonest acts if he wants to.  I don't care.  He is being a hypocrite because he claimed to be honest when he is not, and because he is doing the very same thing that he criticises religious people for. 

You see nothing wrong with this, I get it.  But I disagree.  This is wrong.  He needs to either be honest, or shut up and stop criticizing those he accuses of dishonesty. 

It doesn't matter anyway because all he cares about is money and fame.  He just wants to be funny and doesn't care about honesty, no matter how much he says he does care.

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« Reply #117 on: October 30, 2008, 12:43:11 PM »
Now that I do what?  He can lie, cheat, deceive, and commit all kinds of dishonest acts if he wants to.  I don't care.  He is being a hypocrite because he claimed to be honest when he is not, and because he is doing the very same thing that he criticises religious people for. 

You see nothing wrong with this, I get it.  But I disagree.  This is wrong.  He needs to either be honest, or shut up and stop criticizing those he accuses of dishonesty. 

It doesn't matter anyway because all he cares about is money and fame.  He just wants to be funny and doesn't care about honesty, no matter how much he says he does care.
Morality lies within the beholder. I'm more than sure that there are MANY church congregations that don't give everyone the "honest" truth with what goes on with donated money (hence scandals), and the political decisions when it comes to whom are board members and not.

I respect that you disagree, but to think that just because Christians are followers of God that no scandals and dishonesty are looming about, would be naive. I have Christian friends right now that are "sinning" and being dishonest to their loved ones. One who goes to church that is eying a female in our gym, but stays with his wife because he doesn't want to hurt the relationship he has with his son. Even told me that once the son is graduated from high school, he's leaving his wife. But in his mind, I don't think he feels he's being dishonest. He's just doing what he feels he needs to do.

No one in the world is really honest. Everyone has skeletons in the closet. It's just that they're not out there for everyone to see.

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Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie
« Reply #118 on: October 30, 2008, 01:26:43 PM »
Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for there religious convictions.
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