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Fedor Calls Out Brock
« on: November 19, 2008, 11:40:30 AM »

M-1's Official Statement on Brock Lesnar's victory

M-1 would like to congratulate Brock Lesnar on his UFC heavyweight title victory as well as acknowledge Randy Couture's return to active competition after a layoff that lasted over a year.

Couture and WAMMA heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko had publicly acknowledged a desire to fight each other multiple times over the course of the past year. While M-1 and Fedor remain interested in a match against Couture, we would also like to publicly state for the record that we would welcome a superfight between Fedor and Lesnar that would be held as a co-promoted event between the UFC, M-1, and Affliction Entertainment.

We've invited the media to speak with us today to not only make it clear we would welcome a Fedor vs. Lesnar matchup but to act in a preemptive fashion to address the possibility that UFC officials will try and position Lesnar as the No. 1 heavyweight in the world, much like they have tried to use a marketing ploy to brand Anderson Silfva as the number one pound-for-pound fighter in the world.

In the past, UFC president Dana White and Zuffa, LLC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta have tried to claim that Fedor was "overrated" and that his "record was irrelevant." They make these claims in spite of the fact that Fedor holds career victories over UFC champions past and present. While we have tremendous respect for the contributions Mr. Fertitta and Dana have made to this sport, we do not believe they are sincere in their statements.

It is the position of M-1 that the UFC has adopted an anti-Fedor policy because multiple attempts to sign him have not been fruitful. For a company that has tried to market itself as the number one promotion in the world, they are unable to accept the fact that the number one fighter in the world does not reside on its roster of contracted fighters.

We believe that the UFC has determined that it's much more inexpensive for them to use their marketing resources to use smoke and mirrors to brand a fighter as the pound-for-pound best as opposed to actually paying the pound-for-pound best what he is truly worth on the open market.

While Brock Lesnar is an accomplished athlete and a talented fighter, we do not consider him to be the number one heavyweight in the world. Until someone beats him, we strongly believe that Fedor should continue to be recognized as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. In a match between Fedor and Lesnar, we do not feel that at this stage Lesnar would be able to make it out of the first round.

For those who feel our statements in regards to Fedor are self-serving, we'd like to refer you to a video interview on the website RawVegas.tv in which at his UFC 91 after-party Couture himself acknowledges that "Fedor would probably tear Brock up at this point."

Jerry Millen, M-1 Vice President

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/stories/Fedor_Emelianeko_Calls_Out_UFC_Champion_Brock.shtml

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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 12:16:02 PM »
M-1's Official Statement on Brock Lesnar's victory

While Brock Lesnar is an accomplished athlete and a talented fighter, we do not consider him to be the number one heavyweight in the world. Until someone beats him, we strongly believe that Fedor should continue to be recognized as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. In a match between Fedor and Lesnar, we do not feel that at this stage Lesnar would be able to make it out of the first round.

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In other words, Fedor by whatever he wants.  ;D
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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 12:18:17 PM »
no way dana puts his cash cow in with fedor

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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 12:37:43 PM »
no way dana puts his cash cow in with fedor

The only way this fight happens is if Fedor signs EXCLUSIVELY with the UFC and understandably so.
If they do a cross promotion and Brock loses, they are left with the second best heavyweight, and Fedor continues being the best in
another promotion.

Fedor will never sign with the UFC. Too many restrictions. Let's face it...he really is already restricted in a sense with his lack of marketabilty. The average US MMA fan most likely has never even heard of him, let alone seen him fight. Plus he doesn't speak English.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 12:45:32 PM »
The average US MMA fan most likely has never even heard of him, let alone seen him fight. Plus he doesn't speak English.
You could say the same thing about Anderson Sylva prior to him signing with the UFC. If the guy comes in and kicks ass it won't matter whether or not he speaks English. Americans love guys who fight and demolish opponents, ala Mike Tyson.
Plus, I think more UFC fans are familiar with Fedor than you might think by this point.
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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2008, 01:16:46 PM »
You could say the same thing about Anderson Sylva prior to him signing with the UFC. If the guy comes in and kicks ass it won't matter whether or not he speaks English. Americans love guys who fight and demolish opponents, ala Mike Tyson.
Plus, I think more UFC fans are familiar with Fedor than you might think by this point.

Explain to me why Chuck, Rampage, Rich, Randy, Forrest, St.Pierre, BJ and even Tito are more popular than Anderson? Most of the guys I mentioned are not even current champions. They all have bigger PPV percentages than Anderson. St.Pierre even learned English since becoming a star.

Let's face it, hard to get a feel for a guy's personality when he can't speak the language of the fans. Many MMA fan's know OF Fedor, but they don't know anything about him. Most likely don't even recognize him. They have just "heard" of him. Smart to not invest in him in my opinion. He really won't sell seats for the long haul either. One loss in the UFC and nobody will care about him whatsoever.

All the guys I listed have lost....and they still kept their popularity.


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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2008, 01:32:44 PM »
Explain to me why Chuck, Rampage, Rich, Randy, Forrest, St.Pierre, BJ and even Tito are more popular than Anderson? Most of the guys I mentioned are not even current champions. They all have bigger PPV percentages than Anderson.

Let's face it, hard to get a feel for a guy's personality when he can't speak the language of the fans. Many MMA fan's know OF Fedor, but they don't know anything about him. Most likely don't even recognize him. They have just "heard" of him. Smart to not invest in him in my opinion. He really won't sell seats for the long haul either. One loss in the UFC and nobody will care about him whatsoever.

All the guys I listed have lost....and they still kept their popularity.


Meh. I understand what you are saying completely, as I felt that way about Felix "Tito" Trinidad in boxing. As a good looking guy, I felt he could have made good money in endorsements if only he spoke english like Oscar DeLa Hoya.

Truth be told though, I don't see the guys you mention racking up endorsement deals. Is Chuck Liddell still drawing record PPV numbers now that he isn't knocking guys out in every fight?  :-\ The main reason Forrest, Rampage and Chuck sell is because of TUF. You could put Fedor on TUF. I think Fedor is in the planning stages of a reality show that may give him major U.S. exposure WITHOUT going on TUF.

Personally, if you think Fedor wouldn't draw big PPV numbers if he's in the UFC demolishing opponents I think you are mistaken. I am quite sure that isn't the reason why Dana will or will not sign Fedor. And like I stated before, more people know Fedor now than you think, particularly after he demolished Tim Sylvia.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2008, 01:52:47 PM »
Meh. I understand what you are saying completely, as I felt that way about Felix "Tito" Trinidad in boxing. As a good looking guy, I felt he could have made good money in endorsements if only he spoke english like Oscar DeLa Hoya.

Truth be told though, I don't see the guys you mention racking up endorsement deals. Is Chuck Liddell still drawing record PPV numbers now that he isn't knocking guys out in every fight?  :-\ The main reason Forrest, Rampage and Chuck sell is because of TUF. You could put Fedor on TUF. I think Fedor is in the planning stages of a reality show that may give him major U.S. exposure WITHOUT going on TUF.

Personally, if you think Fedor wouldn't draw big PPV numbers if he's in the UFC demolishing opponents I think you are mistaken. I am quite sure that isn't the reason why Dana will or will not sign Fedor. And like I stated before, more people know Fedor now than you think, particularly after he demolished Tim Sylvia.

All the guys I mentioned are still huge draws....and yes Chuck is as well. Perhaps you can even say Chuck is the face of MMA. Chuck is Hollywood status.
Doesn't really matter what Fedor has planned...maybe some day he will be a "mainstream" fighter. But as it stands right now, it is just too risky of an investment.  You are right...TUF helps give the fighters exposure that is for sure. But the fighters personality comes out as well in the TUF shows. No english=No personality to relate with.

Another thing you have to consider...Fedor has not beat a big US name ever! To the new fans, his past opponents mean nothing. Sylvia was a drag to watch, and Arvloski lost his status by getting beat by Tim. Fedor can start making a bigger name by beating bigger names. Another thing is Fedor's price tag is way too high for his lack of popularity. There is more to a fighters worth than his MMA abilites. Brock Lesnar ring a bell? ;D








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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2008, 02:17:51 PM »
Explain to me why Chuck, Rampage, Rich, Randy, Forrest, St.Pierre, BJ and even Tito are more popular than Anderson? Most of the guys I mentioned are not even current champions. They all have bigger PPV percentages than Anderson. St.Pierre even learned English since becoming a star.




they're not !


and they've been in the UFC 3 and 4 times longer !

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2008, 02:23:09 PM »
they're not !


and they've been in the UFC 3 and 4 times longer !

We can debate all day...Fedor is not and will not be in the UFC on Dana's watch.
I am happy with that at least until he is worth what he is asking.

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2008, 02:27:24 PM »
We can debate all day...Fedor is not and will not be in the UFC on Dana's watch.
I am happy with that.

why would'nt you want to see fedor fighting in the UFC ?

if he signed it would only mean he got what he wanted financially and we would'nt have to speculate about who's the top dog at heavyweight ...

never underestimate the power of the almighty dollar...

and never say never !

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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2008, 02:32:50 PM »
why would'nt you want to see fedor fighting in the UFC ?

if he signed it would only mean he got what he wanted finacially and we would'nt have to speculate aout who's the top dog at heavyweight ...

never underestimate the power of the almighty dollar...

and never say never !

I should rephrase what I said....I am content that he is not in the UFC. If they can work things out, then great.
But it will never happen.

The only way it could happen is when Affliction fails and he has nowhere else to go.

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2008, 03:34:13 PM »


The only way it could happen is when Affliction fails and he has nowhere else to go.

Given the recent performance of other MMA orgs, and with the economy in the toilet, this might not be too far away.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2008, 03:36:46 PM »
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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2008, 06:39:39 PM »
Let's face it, hard to get a feel for a guy's personality when he can't speak the language of the fans. Many MMA fan's know OF Fedor, but they don't know anything about him. Most likely don't even recognize him. They have just "heard" of him. Smart to not invest in him in my opinion. He really won't sell seats for the long haul either. One loss in the UFC and nobody will care about him whatsoever.

this is only true if you actually think fedor will lose his first fight. it killed crocop to enter the UFC with such a fizzle, but there's no reason to think fedor would fail quite so crashingly. if he tears through even a few mid-level guys with ease, it won't matter what his personality is initially. he can develop it.

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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2008, 08:02:35 PM »
You're not a true MMA fan unless you know alot about Fedor.  Lots of vids on Youtube, replays of fights on TV, translated interviews on the web.  And there's nothing wrong with his personality.

He'd choke Brock out in the first round.

Any promoter who tries to say he's ranked like 5th in the world has lost all credibility in my book.  I hope White never gets him.  Doesn't deserve him.


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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2008, 08:13:28 PM »
true but myself as a fan and enjoys the ufc would love to see fedor in the octagon. imo he will probably just do what he does best... own fakas. he beat most top heavys just gotta destroy the up amd coming

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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2008, 08:58:42 PM »
Did Randy really say this?
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Couture himself acknowledges that "Fedor would probably tear Brock up at this point."

Does this mean randy believes Fedor would tear him up as well, seeing that Brock just beat him?

As far as Fedor fighting in the UFC, I think the best fighters should be brought in, but he needs to be worth what he's asking. How many MMA matches has Fedor had in the last 2 years?
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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2008, 01:33:04 AM »
at this stage fedor would  win imo,striking i give to fedor,subs is fedor but brock has better wresting,imo brock is just a larger version  of coleman in his heyday,fedor will win but  3 years from now might be a different story,providing brock works hard on his weaiknesses
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2008, 06:49:44 AM »
Fedor would absolutely destroy Lesnar now, in 3 years, in 5 years. The only thing Lesnar has is size and some wrestling skills. For anyone who saw Fedor absolutely manhandle Nougierra in his prime and dismantle Tim Sylvia in 20 seconds, I dont know how you could possibly think Lesnar wouldnt get embarassed.

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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2008, 12:23:04 PM »
no way dana puts his cash cow in with fedor

exactly i would be tim slyvia all over again ;D
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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2008, 01:18:59 PM »
Maybe Fedor needs to worry about winning his Samba dance contest more and less about Brock.

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Re: Fedor Calls Out Brock
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2008, 04:57:39 AM »
Here's more
http://sherdog.com/news/articles/fedor-and-co-target-lesnar-15219

The line has started to form behind Brock Lesnar and Fedor Emelianenko has joined it.

The world’s top-ranked heavyweight and his team of managers voiced their interest on Tuesday in having the touted Russian meet the newly crowned UFC heavyweight champion in “a co-promoted event between the UFC, M-1, and Affliction Entertainment,” according to a prepared press release.

Lesnar dropped perennial favorite Randy Couture at UFC 91 last Saturday three minutes into the second round with a glancing right hook to the living legend’s neck before pouncing on the six-time champion with a flurry of chopping hammerfists for the stoppage.

Couture (16-9) -- who campaigned for a fight with Emelianenko for nearly a year outside the UFC during a contract dispute -- was down on the scorecards, but gaining momentum after he cut Lesnar over his right eye with an angular punch just a moment before his opponent short-circuited his efforts.

The former WWE champion earned a title shot toting a humble 2-1 professional record, but Lesnar silenced numerous critics who condemned the matchup happening based on popularity more than merit.

“I think Lesnar fought a very smart fight,” Emelianenko told Sherdog.com on Tuesday. “It was very interesting to watch. I think one of his strengths was that -- I was impressed by his speed in the fight. I think just from watching the fight, each fighter was waiting for the other one to make a mistake and I think Lesnar was very fortunate to have caught Randy and prevail.”

Fedor's focus has shifted to UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar.The reserved Emelianenko, who spoke through interpreter Steven Bash from a movie set in Thailand, kept any shortcomings he saw in the 2000 NCAA wrestling champion to himself.

“It was certainly a good start for him, but his successes and failures will depend on who’s in the ring with him,” said Emelianenko. “Whether I get a chance to fight Lesnar in the future or not, that fight will be about me taking advantage of those weaknesses. Any opponent that he has in the future, for them to prevail would be for them to take advantage and capitalize on mistakes that he makes. Like every fighter, he’s certainly prone to them and I see that.”

Up until September, Emelianenko and his representatives seemed just as dedicated to a bout with Couture as the 45-year-old champion was himself. Last August, the pair met in Los Angeles to cull their resources in the hopes of greenlighting the proposed mega-fight.

However, Emelianenko’s management was unfavorable to the exclusive contract offered the Russian fighter by Zuffa LLC., owners of the UFC, and requested the organization co-promote events with their M-1 Global brand. Zuffa declined the offer.

With a legal stalemate drawing out into 2009 over his own contract, the aging Couture decided to return to the UFC fold on Sept. 2 to face Lesnar instead.

Billed “the fight of the century” by many observers, Emelianenko-Couture seems unlikely now following Couture’s loss to Lesnar. And the uneasiness between Emelianenko’s team and the UFC seems to rage on.

“It is the position of M-1 that the UFC has adopted an anti-Fedor policy because multiple attempts to sign him have not been fruitful,” read the prepared release. “For a company that has tried to market itself as the number one promotion in the world, they are unable to accept the fact that the number one fighter in the world does not reside on its roster of contracted fighters.

“We believe that the UFC has determined that it's much more inexpensive for them to use their marketing resources to use smoke and mirrors to brand a fighter as the pound-for-pound best as opposed to actually paying the pound-for-pound best what he is truly worth on the open market.”

Like his managers, the 32-year-old star seems to have made an about-face regarding Couture, though Emelianenko’s next bout has already been decided.

Emelianenko (28-1) faces top-five heavyweight and former UFC champion Andrei Arlovski (13-5) at Affliction 2 “Day of Reckoning” on Jan. 24 in Anaheim, Calif. The event will be co-promoted by M-1.

“To tell you the truth, I wasn’t entirely excited in fighting Randy,” Emelianenko told Sherdog.com on Tuesday. “I have a great deal of respect and admiration for him. Getting in the ring with someone that, I myself, adore as a person and a fighter, I’m never as interested in getting in the ring with someone I have an emotional attachment to.”

While M-1 reps predicted Lesnar wouldn’t make it out of the first round with the revered Russian, Emelianenko refrained from naming which opponent posed his greatest challenge –- the experience-heavy Couture or the heavy-handed Lesnar.

“I just never think that way,” he said. “I never concentrate on that. My opponent is the opponent that signs the contract to fight me and ahead of time, looking down a list of fighters that are available and trying to figure who poses more of a danger by studying their games –- it’s something I just don’t concentrate on.”

The UFC and M-1’s fundamental disagreement over Emelianenko’s proposed contract terms is the most obvious hurdle standing in the way of this bout happening -- that’s if you don’t count the fact that Emelianenko has nearly ten times as many bouts as Lesnar. The UFC is not lacking for opponents to face the 6-foot-3, 280-pound champion as well.

Regardless, Emelianenko has picked Lesnar out of the heavyweight line-up over Couture.

“I would choose Lesnar, mainly for the reason I mentioned before,” said Emelianenko. “I’m very sympathetic to Randy. We hung out together. We got to know each other. I have a lot of warm feelings toward him. Based on that, if I had my choice without any outside forces involved, I would choose Lesnar.”