they give you a boost psychologically......not physically..supps are worthless and you just said that push comes to shove you don't need them....N.O. Fury and other supps are worthless and it seems that sixstar has adopted Muscle-Tech's strategy of saturating BB magazines with worthless lying four page ads...
If supplements are so bad, why have you gone on record as having used Six Star's Creatine or Gaspari's Size-On (which you said yourself worked well initially, as far as giving you a pump and upping your strength, just to name a few)?
When I said "when push comes to shove I don't need them", it was with the understanding that I will keep training and eating, whether I use those supplements or not. It's like using leg curl machines. The ones with the angled bench work better than the old-fashioned ones where the bench is flat.
However, if the flat-bench type is the only one my gym has (or the only type, because I'm using home-gym equipment), then I'll just use that one.
Given the choice, however, I would use the angled bench on the leg curls, due to its being more effective on the hamstrings.
Same goes for supplements. I get better results using them IN ADDITION TO my normal diet and exercise routine, than I would by not using them. Supplements are just that; they "supplement" an already well-planned and well-executed training and nutritional regime;
Having used both N.O. Fury and NaNO Vapor, I can tell you firsthand that NaNO Vapor is the better of the two. Again, one of the things I like about it is that it kicks into gear IMMEDIATELY. N.O Fury isn't as strong and takes longer to start working. But, it's cheaper and a good product in its own right (hence the moniker I gave it of "poor man's NaNO Vapor).
