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[Yamalia]

How about you drop the "ZOG" bullshit.

There is zionism.

But as long as pseudo conspiracy theories are allowed to cloud the discussion, the real serious topics can never get aired.

One thing that should be pointed eg, is that not all jews are Zionists. And all Zionists aren't Jews.

Many Christian Conservatives are Zionists.

But stop the "blame the US jews" game. That's just old.

i didnt say aything about jews.  our government is zionist occupied whether or not you believe its because of jews or not.  there is no debate on the subject of israel, just unconditional support.  time & time again it is shown if you dont support the zionist agenda your political career is done.  our vice president is a self proclaimed zionist, likely just to kowtow to a certain tribe.

[Hedgehog]

i didnt say aything about jews.  our government is zionist occupied whether or not you believe its because of jews or not.  there is no debate on the subject of israel, just unconditional support.  time & time again it is shown if you dont support the zionist agenda your political career is done.  our vice president is a self proclaimed zionist, likely just to kowtow to a certain tribe.

Then I misread you.

Both the president and the VP are IMO zionists, and I don't think there's anyone challenging that.

But perhaps that is not a position the leaders of the USA should have.

Perhaps they should only have the best of USA in their interest.

If that means helping Israel, then so be it. But if it means helping Palestine, or Egypt, or Syria, or Israel's enemies, then that is what the president of the USA have got to do.

Because the president of the USA should not look after anyone else's interests other than USA's.

Cooperation and unity in the world is because it helps USA in the end.

Saudi Arabia is another bad example.

When a political aristocracy like the Bush's having ties to eg the Saudi Arabia it's wrong.

USA have been cutting Saudi Arabia lots of slack for actually funding the very terrorism and extremism USA have been fighting the last years.

[shootfighter1]

Yes, historically, it had been European immigrants.  Most of them came here poor but they assimilated and worked to provide for their families and give 2nd and 3rd generations opportunity.
I believe there are many immigrants from different countries of origin that assimilate and contribute well but two groups we must be very cautious of are pro-islamic muslims and illegals from south of the border.  

Both of these groups seem to have a larger % of people who want to come to this country for the benefits and opportunity but want to change the country to fit them, instead of assimilating into our country.  That is a problem.  It changes our traditions and culture and diminishes pride in our country.  I don't want to see illegal mexicans waiving mexican flags in protest on our soil.  Don't want to see masses of pro-islamic protesters burning our flags or leader's pictures.  Its great that we have the freedom to do that, but we can't allow too many people in from other nations that don't want to be American. 

We have always been a melting pot, but a melting pot with common goals and pride in this country and its freedoms.  The more people that come here and force their beliefs, rules and traditions on us, the more the country changes from the inside.  The demise of many great nations come from internal, not external forces.

[Yamalia]

Then I misread you.

Both the president and the VP are IMO zionists, and I don't think there's anyone challenging that.

But perhaps that is not a position the leaders of the USA should have.

Perhaps they should only have the best of USA in their interest.

If that means helping Israel, then so be it. But if it means helping Palestine, or Egypt, or Syria, or Israel's enemies, then that is what the president of the USA have got to do.

Because the president of the USA should not look after anyone else's interests other than USA's.

Cooperation and unity in the world is because it helps USA in the end.

Saudi Arabia is another bad example.

When a political aristocracy like the Bush's having ties to eg the Saudi Arabia it's wrong.

USA have been cutting Saudi Arabia lots of slack for actually funding the very terrorism and extremism USA have been fighting the last years.

the US really doesn't benefit at all from israel, they are a thorn in our backside.

just curious hedge, what do you think of this commercial that gets played constantly on american TV?

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[Hedgehog]

the US really doesn't benefit at all from israel, they are a thorn in our backside.

just curious hedge, what do you think of this commercial that gets played constantly on american TV?

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Will check it tomorrow at work - the flash is down at my home computer right now.

[Yamalia]

Yes, historically, it had been European immigrants.  Most of them came here poor but they assimilated and worked to provide for their families and give 2nd and 3rd generations opportunity.
I believe there are many immigrants from different countries of origin that assimilate and contribute well but two groups we must be very cautious of are pro-islamic muslims and illegals from south of the border.

that is key 'many' immigrants of other races have 'assimilated', whereas all white immigrants have assimilated.  

Both of these groups seem to have a larger % of people who want to come to this country for the benefits and opportunity but want to change the country to fit them, instead of assimilating into our country.  That is a problem.  It changes our traditions and culture and diminishes pride in our country.  I don't want to see illegal mexicans waiving mexican flags in protest on our soil.  Don't want to see masses of pro-islamic protesters burning our flags or leader's pictures.  Its great that we have the freedom to do that, but we can't allow too many people in from other nations that don't want to be American. 

the thing is, 'american' as we know it is white, our culture is white, our founders were white, our values are white.  blacks, mexicans, even asians, other than on a very individual level, will never assimilate into our white society, they will change it.

We have always been a melting pot, but a melting pot with common goals and pride in this country and its freedoms.  The more people that come here and force their beliefs, rules and traditions on us, the more the country changes from the inside.  The demise of many great nations come from internal, not external forces.

yes, look at the fall of rome, it is almost parallel to whats going on here.

[Mars]

the US really doesn't benefit at all from israel, they are a thorn in our backside.

just curious hedge, what do you think of this commercial that gets played constantly on american TV?

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The Israel lobby and u.s foreign policy is a good book to read.

[Fury]

the US really doesn't benefit at all from israel, they are a thorn in our backside.

just curious hedge, what do you think of this commercial that gets played constantly on american TV?

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Both sides are fighting a propaganda war. It's not surprising to see this. Just like it wasn't surprising to see the Muslims in Europe and America take to the streets and start throwing shoes. I'm personally tired of reading about both of them.

[Yamalia]

The Israel lobby and u.s foreign policy is a good book to read.

yes, ive heard its good.  have you read it marcel? i would buy it, but i probably wouldnt learn anything from it, not sure, probably a good book to awake people.

this is also a very good book

[Mars]

i know about the book and iv red some parts of it on his website. but hes more of a conspiracy thinker and the fact that he was a kkk leader doesnt make me feel good about the whole thing.

[Hedgehog]

yes, ive heard its good.  have you read it marcel? i would buy it, but i probably wouldnt learn anything from it, not sure, probably a good book to awake people.

this is also a very good book

When you bring a guy like David Duke into the equation you automatically disqualify yourself.

Nice joke though.

[D-bol]

no non-white race has every assimilated into western society, only on a very individual level.  thats why we shouldnt allow them in our countries.

you proved my point.

allowing them in in huge numbers while they have like 60 babies per woman, then leaching off europes welfare system, staging mass protests in the west calling for sharia law etc., our societies on track to cease to exist as a result.

the problem is at home. theres no way we should put up with bullshit like this in the west, and theres no reason to, they are powerless and we could easily crush them, they are just taking advantage of how pussified we have become.  we could easily kick all muslims out of the west back to where they belong in the mideast.

ADOLF HITLER in the making....

[shootfighter1]

Yamalia, we will have to disagree on some points.  Although the culture is heavily influenced by various European roots, it is certainly not exclusive and I disagree on the assimilation of many non-European immigrants.  The goal is to have all immigrants follow our rules and laws, appreciate our customs, and be proud to be American...which is not the case for many in the groups I mentioned.