Bucs fire Chuckie

[body88]

Mistake?

[gordiano]

Yep. I think so. BTW, didn't see that coming.

[mass 04]

Lots os good coaches out there. Cowher, Shannahan, now Gruden.

[gordiano]

Lots os good coaches out there. Cowher, Shannahan, now Gruden.

Yeah, but do any of them want a job right now? Cowher and Shanahan have been coaching a long time. I can't say I'd blame them for taking a couple years off.

I think the Bucs are stupid for firing Gruden, though. For their sake, I hope they haven't just pulled a Niners/Mariucci, where they get rid of a good/decent coach, to bring in a shittier one (Dennis Erickson). Of course, it's too early to tell, since they haven't hired a replacement yet....but you never know.

[UPINTHEMGUTS]

I wasn't too impressed by Gruden's resume with Tampa Bay. He basically inherited Tony Dungy's team in his first year as head coach. He installed the west coast offense to complement their already championship caliber defense and it finally carried the team over the top. He only once had back to back winning seasons.(this past year)

I also think Gruden's Super bowl win should have an asterisk by it. Sort of reminds of George Seifert's legacy. In 1989, he inherited an already Super Bowl winning team and repeated the next year as champ. But I give him more credit for his success because he was already deeply rooted in the 49ers organization as a defensive coach for many years.

Gruden just brought a new style of offense that blended perfectly with a defensive TD scoring defense(the defense scored eight defensive touchdowns that year, including playoffs and Super Bowl). Most of all of the player personeel was the product of Dungy's previous regime. And Monte Kiffin is a terrifc defensive coordinator.

Gruden will definitely get an offensive coordinator job somewhere. Head coaching position seems unlikely. But then again, if Mangina can get another head coach position, so could Gruden.

[pumpster]

Good for both, it got stale and never progressed, something like Denver. In both cases it's of course debatable but makes sense. He'll help another team, they'll eventually find a good coach.

Have to give him credit for the SB, in fact that's why he got so much time to play with since then. Without him they weren't winning it, so while he inherited Dungy's team, Dungy wasn't getting them over the hump and barely did it with the Colts.

[OzmO]

Good for both, it got stale and never progressed, something like Denver. In both cases it's of course debatable but makes sense. He'll help another team, they'll eventually find a good coach.

Have to give him credit for the SB, in fact that's why he got so much time to play with since then. Without him they weren't winning it, so while he inherited Dungy's team, Dungy wasn't getting them over the hump and barely did it with the Colts.

I think  you also got to take into account that he played the Raiders, his former team, in the Super Bowl, which certainly didn't detract from his ability to win it.

[body88]

I wasn't too impressed by Gruden's resume with Tampa Bay. He basically inherited Tony Dungy's team in his first year as head coach. He installed the west coast offense to complement their already championship caliber defense and it finally carried the team over the top. He only once had back to back winning seasons.(this past year)

I also think Gruden's Super bowl win should have an asterisk by it. Sort of reminds of George Seifert's legacy. In 1989, he inherited an already Super Bowl winning team and repeated the next year as champ. But I give him more credit for his success because he was already deeply rooted in the 49ers organization as a defensive coach for many years.

Gruden just brought a new style of offense that blended perfectly with a defensive TD scoring defense(the defense scored eight defensive touchdowns that year, including playoffs and Super Bowl). Most of all of the player personeel was the product of Dungy's previous regime. And Monte Kiffin is a terrifc defensive coordinator.

Gruden will definitely get an offensive coordinator job somewhere. Head coaching position seems unlikely. But then again, if Mangina can get another head coach position, so could Gruden.

Are you impressed by your coach, he inherited Bilick's and Rex's team.  Don't forget with Gruden did with the Raiders.  I think this was the rifht move from a fresh blood standpoint, but Gruden is a good coach, and I hope the jets don't get him.

[UPINTHEMGUTS]

Are you impressed by your coach, he inherited Bilick's and Rex's team.  Don't forget with Gruden did with the Raiders.  I think this was the rifht move from a fresh blood standpoint, but Gruden is a good coach, and I hope the jets don't get him.

Harbaugh did inherit Billick's and Ryan's team, no doubt. From an offenseive standpoint, Cam Cameron has had the most affect on the Raven's offensive philosphy. What I like about Harbaugh is he is not an egomaniac like Gruden was and is humble, unlike Billick. The Ravens players are responding to Harbaugh's coaching philosophy much better than they ever did under Billick.

I like Harbaugh a lot. He's a much needed breath of fresh air and he'll make the Ravens contenders for years to come.

[Earl1972]

good move, they needed a change

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[body88]

Harbaugh did inherit Billick's and Ryan's team, no doubt. From an offenseive standpoint, Cam Cameron has had the most affect on the Raven's offensive philosphy. What I like about Harbaugh is he is not an egomaniac like Gruden was and is humble, unlike Billick. The Ravens players are responding to Harbaugh's coaching philosophy much better than they ever did under Billick.

I like Harbaugh a lot. He's a much needed breath of fresh air and he'll make the Ravens contenders for years to come.

Yet.  When he does something of note like win a sb.....that might change.  From what I gather Gruden was well liked by his players.  I hope he does not coach the jets.

[Tre]

good move, they needed a change

And who exactly are they going to bring in who's better?

The guy has been winning games down there without a legitimate NFL starting QB. 

[Earl1972]

And who exactly are they going to bring in who's better?

The guy has been winning games down there without a legitimate NFL starting QB. 

going to the playoffs 2 or 3 times since 03 with zero playoff wins is not "winning games"

nobody ever heard of mike tomlin or john harbaugh but they know them now

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[body88]

going to the playoffs 2 or 3 times since 03 with zero playoff wins is not "winning games"

nobody ever heard of mike tomlin or john harbaugh but they know them now

E

Gruden is a better coach than both the guys you just listed.  Tomlin was handed an elite team.  You wont know how good he is until many years from now.  What exactly have Harbaugh and Tomlin done?  Harbaugh has not drafted a single player yet. 

[Earl1972]

Gruden is a better coach than both the guys you just listed.  Tomlin was handed an elite team.  You wont know how good he is until many years from now.  What exactly have Harbaugh and Tomlin done?  Harbaugh has not drafted a single player yet. 

how is gruden better, why is everybody on this clown's nutsack?

gruden was handed an elite team, once those players got old he wasn't so good was he

harbaugh drafted flacco, they were 5 - 11 last year and they won their first playoff game since 01 season

who has gruden drafted, who are the elite players drafted since their super bowl? tell me

tomlin could possibly do what took bill cowher 14 years this season

by naming these two coaches i gave two examples of no names that have led their teams to success

things can get stale after 7 years and it is clear to me that happened in tampa

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[body88]

how is gruden better, why is everybody on this clown's nutsack?

gruden was handed an elite team, once those players got old he wasn't so good was he

harbaugh drafted flacco, they were 5 - 11 last year and they won their first playoff game since 01 season

who has gruden drafted, who are the elite players drafted since their super bowl? tell me

tomlin could possibly do what took bill cowher 14 years this season

by naming these two coaches i gave two examples of no names that have led their teams to success

things can get stale after 7 years and it is clear to me that happened in tampa

E

I know what you are saying, but Gruden has won with the Bucs since he won a sb, and he did extremely well with Oakland.  Considering what a physcho Al Davis is these days thats nothing to scoff at.  What has Oakland been like since Chuckie left?  What exactly has Harbaugh done?  He inherited a team that was put together by Rex and Billick (and although he has done a good job of leading his team), he has not won anything yet.  Is Wade Phillips a better coach than Parcels? 

I agree that fresh air can do wonders for a team, but to say that a guy like Harbaugh is better than Gruden at this point is premature.  The guy has yet to go a full season, and just because his team is winning now does not mean he is better than a coach who has won in multiple volatile situations and has a sb title under his belt.  People are so quick to crown anyone who wins as the next big thing.  You have to give Jim credit for drafting Flacco, but is his coaching winning them games, or is the fact that the Ravens finally have a QB who can play helping them win?  It's all speculation at this point.  If the Ravens are still kicking ass in 2 years, then Harbaugh can be looked at as the man who turned it all around. 

Imo Gruden is a good coach and he will do well somewhere else.   

[Earl1972]

I know what you are saying, but Gruden has won with the Bucs since he won a sb, and he did extremely well with Oakland.  Considering what a physcho Al Davis is these days thats nothing to scoff at.  What has Oakland been like since Chuckie left?  What exactly has Harbaugh done?  He inherited a team that was put together by Rex and Billick (and although he has done a good job of leading his team), he has not won anything yet.  Is Wade Phillips a better coach than Parcels? 

I agree that fresh air can do wonders for a team, but to say that a guy like Harbaugh is better than Gruden at this point is premature.  The guy has yet to go a full season, and just because his team is winning now does not mean he is better than a coach who has won in multiple volatile situations and has a sb title under his belt.  People are so quick to crown anyone who wins as the next big thing.  You have to give Jim credit for drafting Flacco, but is his coaching winning them games, or is the fact that the Ravens finally have a QB who can play helping them win?  It's all speculation at this point.  If the Ravens are still kicking ass in 2 years, then Harbaugh can be looked at as the man who turned it all around. 

Imo Gruden is a good coach and he will do well somewhere else.   

all i'm saying is after a while teams need new blood, the same message gets old and gruden's record since the super bowl is unimpressive, especially considering the weak division over the years

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