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anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« on: January 21, 2009, 05:00:12 PM »
from what i read, this is an 17aa tren  :o

binds to the AR stronger than any other steroid in existance  :o

burns fat better than any other then too  :o

melts liver faster than industrial acid  :o  ;D

anyone used and can comment on the results ?
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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 10:26:46 PM »
Too toxic to be used to any great effect, so it's not too much good.  The people I know who have used it in very small amounts it didn't do a whole lot.

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 05:54:39 AM »
from what i read, this is an 17aa tren  :o

binds to the AR stronger than any other steroid in existance  :o

burns fat better than any other then too  :o

melts liver faster than industrial acid  :o  ;D

anyone used and can comment on the results ?

lol

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 12:51:18 PM »
liver toxicity is over rated... you can use any  oral at a good dose for a few weks without trouble...

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 01:23:21 PM »
liver toxicity is over rated... you can use any  oral at a good dose for a few weks without trouble...

Yes it is, greatly but you don't understand that Methy-Tren is in a different league than most oral steroids.  It's used only in androgen study as it's too toxic for any other purpose.

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 01:28:59 PM »
Yes it is, greatly but you don't understand that Methy-Tren is in a different league than most oral steroids.  It's used only in androgen study as it's too toxic for any other purpose.

greek olympic weightlifters were banned for testing positive to it - if they are using it, then others are too.

yes its used as the bench mark for AR binding as it binds stronger than anything else.
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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 01:38:56 PM »
greek olympic weightlifters were banned for testing positive to it - if they are using it, then others are too.

yes its used as the bench mark for AR binding as it binds stronger than anything else.

Reason some Olympic lifters have tested + for it is because it is given in such low dosages, it has a good chance to get through the drug screening they use and of course they are looking for any advantage they can get.  Unfortunately the testing has gotten more sensitive and smaller and smaller amounts of the metabolites are being detected.  The guys I knew who were trying it "it was of course UGL crap and I don't know how pure it was" were doing between 500mcg-1mg/day.  They personally saw some strength increase but not much else. 

I personally wouldn't touch the stuff, well maybe if I was an Olympian and looking for any advantage I could get and had no other choice.

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 01:53:29 PM »
androgen recpetor binding affinity doesnt necessarily mean anything at all


taking one chemical and putting 17aa bond to it doesnt mean its the same exact chemical.. it does change it a bit...   for example...  proviron is masteron with a 17aa bond.. but very different steroids..   you shoudl ask patrick arnold what he thinks of this steroid..

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 01:56:36 PM »
  you shoudl ask patrick arnold what he thinks of this steroid..

I think he's a little busy right now.

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 02:00:16 PM »
androgen recpetor binding affinity doesnt necessarily mean anything at all


taking one chemical and putting 17aa bond to it doesnt mean its the same exact chemical.. it does change it a bit...   for example...  proviron is masteron with a 17aa bond.. but very different steroids..   you shoudl ask patrick arnold what he thinks of this steroid..

i agree. dbol and eq is another.
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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009, 02:02:49 PM »
androgen recpetor binding affinity doesnt necessarily mean anything at all


taking one chemical and putting 17aa bond to it doesnt mean its the same exact chemical.. it does change it a bit...   for example...  proviron is masteron with a 17aa bond.. but very different steroids..   you shoudl ask patrick arnold what he thinks of this steroid..

Actually proviron is not masteron with a 17aa methylation.  Proviron is not 17aa methylated at all.  It is 1-methylated and masteron is 2-methylated.  

However you are correct that the methylation can greatly change the way a steroid works in the body even if everything else is the same.

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2009, 02:04:57 PM »
Actually proviron is not masteron with a 17aa methylation.  Proviron is not 17aa methylated at all.  It is 1-methylated and masteron is 2-methylated.  

However you are correct that the methylation can greatly change the way a steroid works in the body even if everything else is the same.
i dont understand the chemistry stuff ...just know basic stuff bout it... sounds like you do though...    care to explain  the differences between 1 methyl and 2 methyl and how exactly methylation effects the way a chemical works ?

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2009, 02:13:19 PM »
i dont understand the chemistry stuff ...just know basic stuff bout it... sounds like you do though...    care to explain  the differences between 1 methyl and 2 methyl and how exactly methylation effects the way a chemical works ?

I'm no chemistry expert, however this writeup below explains the difference between Masteron and Proviron better than I ever could :)

Masteron vs. Proviron
Q: What is the difference between Proviron and Masteron? I heard they are both DHT derivates and one was really just an oral form of the other. Could I use Proviron instead of Masteron for contest prep? I lost my source for BD Mastabol.

A: Proviron (oral 1-methyl-dihydrotestosterone) and Masteron (an injectable form of 2-methyl-dihydrotestosterne) are indeed structurally very similar. Both are DHT hormones with a minor modification (methylation) on each. This similarity, however, doesn’t carry over extremely closely when it comes to function. Both steroids are DHT derivatives, yes, and because of this there is no estrogen conversion possible with either drug. They lack a structural trait necessary for their conversion to estrogen. This characteristic may also allow both steroids to offer some level of anti-estrogenic activity, as the non-aromatizable steroid may compete with other aromatizable steroids (like your own endogenous testosterone) for binding to the aromatase enzyme. This should lower estrogen levels and heighten the ratio of relative androgenic to estrogenic activity in the body. As such, both steroids could be used to some extent for cutting or contest preparations. The main value in this regard is that both may help, instead of hinder, the visible retention of fat and subcutaneous water. With less water retained, muscle definition can increase provided body fat is low enough. But this is about where the functional similarities between the two agents end.

The main difference between Proviron and Masteron is their relative level of anabolic activity in skeletal muscle. Both steroids are capable of attaching to and activating the androgen receptor in muscle tissue. As such, both are theoretically capable of supporting muscle growth. But there is one major problem with Proviron. Like the base steroid dihydrotestosterone, Proviron has a high affinity for the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) enzyme. Why is this important? It is important because 3HSD produces a weaker steroid by removing the highly important 3-keto group on the active steroid molecule. It this case it produces what are known as weak steroid “diols”. 3HSD is present in high amounts in muscle tissue, and represents a sort of blocking wall for the steroid to get through before it is able to find its corresponding receptor in the cytosol of the cell. Proviron and DHT will be actively looking for 3HSD if you will, and as a result very little will find the receptor before being converted to weakly active steroids. This is why people do not gain a lot of muscle mass while taking DHT or Proviron. The 1-methlation may result in improving the oral bioavailability of Proviron, hence the fact that it is an oral drug, but it doesn’t do much to protect it from 3HSD.

Masteron contains a 2-methylated derivative of DHT. Unlike the 1-methylation of Proviron, this alteration doesn’t effectively protect the steroid during oral dosing. This is why we only see Masteron as an injectable medication. However, shifting the methyl group from the 1 to the 2 position on the steroid backbone very effectively prevents conversion by 3HSD. As a result, the steroid is well equipped to enter the cell and break through the defensive line of 3HSD enzymes. It will reach the cytosolic androgen receptor in high concentrations, and because of this may impart a measurable tissue-building effect. So the bottom line is that while both may help improve the look of hardness to the muscles during contest preparations, only Masteron is actually going to offer a strong effect in muscle tissue itself. This means the potential for much more muscle size and strength gains during building phases of training, and at the very least a greater level of muscle preservation during cutting phases of training (the latter due to anabolic action in muscle helping to counter the catabolic effects of calorie restriction). These two drugs illustrate well the fact that categorizing the actions of steroids based on the three derivative bases (testosterone, nandrolone, and dihydrotestosterone) is not a highly accurate practice. So the next time someone tells you “This is a DHT derivative… so”, you can tell them “So what? I want to know what THIS steroid does, not DHT!”

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2009, 02:19:39 PM »
Like was stated above somewhere, Dianabol and Equipoise is probably one of if not the best example of how simple methylation can dramatically change the way a drug acts and behaves in the body.

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Re: anyone ever used Methyltrienolone ?
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2009, 02:31:16 PM »
thanks liquid

james - its just cool to know.. nice little facts t slip into convo's.. makes you sound intelligent