Best Cycle to run with what I have available ?

[wgator]

I've only done 1 1/2 cycles in the past and with the second and full cycle I experienced what I'm guessing is pretty serious natural test shut down where my nuts shrunk big time and even with me doing everything very calculated with cycle mix and pct I lost most of my gains and took at least 6 wks to get any nut size back and to feel even close to normal in that area. I WANT TO AVOID THAT AGAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! So here is what I got:

It's been 6 months since my last cycle and I'd like to do an 8-12 week cycle to kick start me again. My goal is to regain only quality muscle and get as cut as I can on the only 4 days a week I have available to train. I must also do it with as few injections as I can cause needles simply isn't my thing. What I have in hand is plenty of oral winstrol, anavar, proviron, clomid, nolvadex and injectable Sustanon 250, Eq, Deca and Hgh.

The talk is to always support a cycle with test but I think that and the tren that I ran together last time is what threw my own test production way out of whack. I’ve never done deca before and would like to but there again is my fear of Deca dick. What is the minimum amount of test I can run to offset the deca and do you all have suggestions on what combination I can use with the balance of what I have to run a quality cycle to help achieve my goal.

Much thanks in advance.

[staxripa]

i know this isnt the responce your loking for, but i was wondering how much you weigh now and how tall you are and how old you are, just out of curiousity.

[wgator]

I'm 45 yrs old 5' 11" tall and weigh 215 lbs at approximately 17% body fat and have been seriously training for over 27 years now.

[4thAD]

I've only done 1 1/2 cycles in the past and with the second and full cycle I experienced what I'm guessing is pretty serious natural test shut down where my nuts shrunk big time and even with me doing everything very calculated with cycle mix and pct I lost most of my gains and took at least 6 wks to get any nut size back and to feel even close to normal in that area. I WANT TO AVOID THAT AGAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! So here is what I got:

It's been 6 months since my last cycle and I'd like to do an 8-12 week cycle to kick start me again. My goal is to regain only quality muscle and get as cut as I can on the only 4 days a week I have available to train. I must also do it with as few injections as I can cause needles simply isn't my thing. What I have in hand is plenty of oral winstrol, anavar, proviron, clomid, nolvadex and injectable Sustanon 250, Eq, Deca and Hgh.

The talk is to always support a cycle with test but I think that and the tren that I ran together last time is what threw my own test production way out of whack. I’ve never done deca before and would like to but there again is my fear of Deca dick. What is the minimum amount of test I can run to offset the deca and do you all have suggestions on what combination I can use with the balance of what I have to run a quality cycle to help achieve my goal.

Much thanks in advance.

HCG bro, HCG!

[DIVISION]

I've only done 1 1/2 cycles in the past and with the second and full cycle I experienced what I'm guessing is pretty serious natural test shut down where my nuts shrunk big time and even with me doing everything very calculated with cycle mix and pct I lost most of my gains and took at least 6 wks to get any nut size back and to feel even close to normal in that area. I WANT TO AVOID THAT AGAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! So here is what I got:

It's been 6 months since my last cycle and I'd like to do an 8-12 week cycle to kick start me again. My goal is to regain only quality muscle and get as cut as I can on the only 4 days a week I have available to train. I must also do it with as few injections as I can cause needles simply isn't my thing. What I have in hand is plenty of oral winstrol, anavar, proviron, clomid, nolvadex and injectable Sustanon 250, Eq, Deca and Hgh.

The talk is to always support a cycle with test but I think that and the tren that I ran together last time is what threw my own test production way out of whack. I’ve never done deca before and would like to but there again is my fear of Deca dick. What is the minimum amount of test I can run to offset the deca and do you all have suggestions on what combination I can use with the balance of what I have to run a quality cycle to help achieve my goal.

Much thanks in advance.

I don't understand guys like you.

You said you aren't interested in injections, yet want a decent cycle.

IMO, you can't have a good cycle without a base of injectible test as a base.

If you can't get past that, then you've got a problem.

If you can't stand injections, forget about AAS altogether.

Oral-only cycles are very weak and pointless.

Some people will respond to them, but most just won't retain gains.

You complain about being easily shutdown from AAS, then want to try Deca.

I don't understand your contradictions.

As 4th said, you are better off using HCG while on-cycle if you get shutdown easily.

But, if you are still wary of needles, aren't you wasting your time?

Get over it.


DIV

[wgator]

Wow Division that was pretty abrasive.

If you read my post you'll see I was asking for advice which is a clear notice I'm admitting I don't have all the answers. Secondly my post clearly stated a request for suggestions for a quality cycle with as few injections as possible, not any at all. You can also note that with the deca and sust I had planned on using clearly again I'm willing to inject but was hoping that I could get by with injecting each once a week with high enough doses since the half life on both are longer.

Now to the deca. My only reason for this was I was told by many it would give me some additional joint relief which I thought may be an added comfort as well as getting some quality gains. Again in my quest for help I was looking for how if possible I could come up with an approach to use what I have without creating problems for myself down the road.

I still will gladly hear helpful advice you may have but I don't deserve to be pounced on like I'm an idiot. I'm just a good guy trying to learn and do things right.

[muscle19]

depends on your goals. you can get away with 2 shots a wk, using your glutes to get a good ml amount in.

test 500mg
deca 400mg
hgh-4 ius 5 times a wk

one cc of each 2 times a wk and thats it. use winny for the 5 wks, take a wk off and add anavar for the last 5 wks.

i would add 250ius of hcg twice a wk, go the entire cycle.

as long as your including test with the cycle, then dont worry about deca dick, i have never ever experienced anything like that. whats do you have in mind for a pct?

[DIVISION]

Wow Division that was pretty abrasive.

If you read my post you'll see I was asking for advice which is a clear notice I'm admitting I don't have all the answers. Secondly my post clearly stated a request for suggestions for a quality cycle with as few injections as possible, not any at all. You can also note that with the deca and sust I had planned on using clearly again I'm willing to inject but was hoping that I could get by with injecting each once a week with high enough doses since the half life on both are longer.

Now to the deca. My only reason for this was I was told by many it would give me some additional joint relief which I thought may be an added comfort as well as getting some quality gains. Again in my quest for help I was looking for how if possible I could come up with an approach to use what I have without creating problems for myself down the road.

I still will gladly hear helpful advice you may have but I don't deserve to be pounced on like I'm an idiot. I'm just a good guy trying to learn and do things right.

I'm getting tired of hearing about the kids who are scared of needles.

Nothing personal, but it gets old.

If you aren't in to needles, this isn't your thing. 



DIV

[tbombz]

It's been 6 months since my last cycle and I'd like to do an 8-12 week cycle to kick start me again. My goal is to regain only quality muscle and get as cut as I can on the only 4 days a week I have available to train. I must also do it with as few injections as I can cause needles simply isn't my thing. What I have in hand is plenty of oral winstrol, anavar, proviron, clomid, nolvadex and injectable Sustanon 250, Eq, Deca and Hgh.

with your goals, diet is going to be very important. cardio probably too (although not 100% necessary).

that being said..... try out sust mon/wed/fri for 750, either eq or deca at 300-500 per week, and your hgh at the highest dose possible for what you have and you cycle length.

[wgator]

Sorry guys I have hcg not hgh. I just picked up on my mistake.

Muscle19-I'm unsure as to best aproach for pct. Seems that hcg during cycle is the popular vote and I can go with that but that brings up the question is there still the need to do again 3 weeks after cycle if I do 50 mgs clomid for 30 days and 10 mgs nolv for 45 days? Isn't 250 iu a really small amount in terms of volume? About 1/6th ml? I've done 2500 at end and I know its diffrerent in principle but do you inject that tiny amount the same?

I was also thinking bout splitting time with winstrol and anavar as you suggested and was curious why the winnie first.

Thanks again

[DIVISION]

test 500mg
deca 400mg

With this inject the HCG@200-500IU every four or five days for the duration.

If this keeps your nuts full, leave it alone.

If your libido is affected, cut down the days.


DIV

[muscle19]

really i just picked winny first, i think its alittle stronger than anavar so to start a cycle, i would opt for the thing that can get things started faster, and anavar i think would be a good phsique finisher, icing on the cake.

as for hcg, i like throughout but i know many guys that do it very end. maybe try it during cycle and do normal pct at end and see the way you feel at end. you may repsnd better to it during cycle. keep in mind, if will not recover in a few months, may take alittle whilelonger to recover