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RUSSIA STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE
« on: March 04, 2009, 10:22:01 AM »
It won't be long before those starving former Soviet states are begging to come back into the fold. Russia is doing better than all of the worlds other markets adn countries in this financial calamity caused by america. Some former satellite nation are looking to Russia to bail them out and of course I am sure Russia will say it will come at a price...

Russia Stock Gains Strengthen Putin as Ukraine Drops (Update2)
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By Emma O’Brien and Laura Cochrane

March 2 (Bloomberg) -- Russia, the worst-performing major stock market in 2008, was Europe’s best last month as the ruble rose and reserves stabilized. Every neighboring market crumbled.

The Micex equity index climbed 6.6 percent in February as the world’s second-biggest oil producer stopped speculators from driving down the ruble and depleting its $382 billion of foreign exchange reserves. In Ukraine, the central bank’s holdings fell 24 percent since August and the benchmark PFTS Index lost 21 percent last month. Latvia’s OMX Riga Index dropped 8 percent.

While Russia’s government said the economy will contract for the first time in a decade and currency reserves are down 36 percent from August, the nation’s relative strength is raising Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s influence over former Soviet states. Ukraine discussed borrowing $5 billion. Kazakhstan wants Russia to buy ailing BTA Bank. Belarus is asking for $3 billion in loans, on top of $2 billion granted last year.

“Russia isn’t looking at a straight-line deterioration into oblivion,” said Kieran Curtis, who helps manage $800 million in emerging-market fixed-income assets in London at Aviva Investors Ltd. “It has enough liquid assets to take stakes in all kinds of things in the former Soviet states.”

Last year, international investors fled Russia after its war with Georgia, a 54 percent decline in the price of Urals crude, and the global credit crisis sent the Micex down 67 percent. Speculators targeted the ruble, driving it 20 percent lower against the dollar and 19 percent versus the euro. Bank Rossii spent $216 billion to keep the currency’s seven-month drop from turning into a rout.

Downgraded

Standard & Poor’s cut Russia’s credit rating in December by one level to BBB, the second-lowest investment-grade ranking. The government expects to run a budget deficit of about 8 percent of gross domestic product this year.

The central bank steadied the ruble, which gained 0.5 percent against the dollar last month, by pledging to raise interest rates and curtailing loans that banks were using to bet against the currency. Investors anticipate government plans to provide $200 billion in loans and reduce taxes will bolster the economy and push up the Micex, which is down 67 percent from its record high in May.

The Micex fell 1.6 percent today and the ruble dropped as much as 0.9 percent to its weakest level against the dollar in a week.

Russia is “still better off than others, mostly because of the reserves,” said Beat Siegenthaler, chief emerging-markets strategist in London for TD Securities Ltd.

Political Rivalry

Eighteen years after the collapse of the Soviet Union depleted Moscow’s power, Ukraine needs foreign funds to close its $12.3 billion current-account deficit after the global recession curbed demand for steel and international credit dried up. The currency, the hryvnia, dropped 44 percent against the dollar in the past six months. The country’s 22 percent inflation rate is the highest in continental Europe.

Ukraine estimates a budget deficit at 5 percent of GDP for 2009 and risks violating terms of a $16.4 billion International Monetary Fund loan agreement. Foreign-currency reserves fell 24 percent since August and are below the $30.2 billion the IMF required. The second portion of the credit, due in January, hasn’t been approved.

The country has also been weakened by the political rivalry between Prime Minister Yulia Timoshenko and President Viktor Yushchenko, who led the so-called Orange Revolution in late 2004 when the country’s pro-Russian government was peacefully overthrown.

Gas Spat

Ukraine tried to increase ties with western Europe and the U.S., seeking membership to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization last year and the European Union. Russia shut off natural gas shipments through Ukraine over a price dispute in January.

Now, the sinking economy is giving Putin, 56, the advantage. Timoshenko requested aid from Russia, the U.S., the European Union, China and Japan this year and Russia gave a “positive response,” she said Feb. 9. Yushchenko shut down what he called “unauthorized” negotiations for a loan.

“This crisis is the best opportunity that Russia’s had to rein in Ukraine and make sure nobody else moves in on their backyard for a long time,” said Chris Weafer, chief strategist at Moscow-based bank UralSib.

Moscow won’t discuss giving a loan to Ukraine until the political situation in Kiev stabilizes, Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin told a press conference in Moscow today.

Flexing Muscle

Russia may be willing to draw on its reserves to prop up neighboring economies, said Ivan Tchakarov, an economist at Nomura Holdings Inc. in London. “Ukraine will require more than the $16 billion from the IMF, so they will need Russian money,” he said. “It’s the perfect time for Russia to flex its muscles.”

Russia’s foreign-currency debt is rated eight levels higher than Ukraine. S&P cut Ukraine’s credit rating by two levels last week to CCC+, seven below investment grade and the lowest in Europe. S&P also cut Latvia to below investment grade.

Investors demand a record 28.1 percentage points more in yield on Ukrainian government bonds than Russian, compared with a gap of 3 percentage points six months ago, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. indexes. As recently as 2003, Ukraine’s bonds yielded 2 percentage points less than Russia’s.

Contracts to protect Ukraine government bonds against default imply a 69.6 percent chance Ukraine will fail to pay its debt in the next two years and 91.8 percent odds in the next five years, according to CMA Datavision prices for credit- default swaps last week.

Belarus, Kyrgyzstan

Kazakhstan is seeking to sell its 78 percent stake in Almaty-based BTA Bank, the country’s largest, to Russia’s government-controlled lender OAO Sberbank, Arman Dunayev, deputy chief of Kazakhstan’s state oil fund, said Feb. 2.

Armenia will receive $500 million from Russia, equivalent to about 2.5 percent of its gross domestic product, Putin said on Feb. 28. Belarus, which borders Russia and Poland, has a $2.46 billion credit line from the IMF in addition to loans from Russia.

Kyrgyzstan got a $2 billion loan from Russia and was promised a further $150 million in economic aid on Feb. 3. The same day, Kyrgyzstan’s government announced it would shutter the military base the U.S. Air Force has used for supplying troops in Afghanistan.

“I welcome Russia’s efforts to try and create stronger economic linkages because for investors it’s stabilizing,” said Jerome Booth, head of research at Ashmore Investment Management Ld. in London, which manages $36 billion of emerging-market assets. “It’s looking for relationships it wants to solidify in the region.”
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Re: RUSSIA STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2009, 11:11:17 AM »
U don't need to worry about Poland heading back to mother Russia. Do u think the youth of these countries wants the commies back....they'll all take the money but none of Moscow's meddling.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2009, 11:17:11 AM »
U don't need to worry about Poland heading back to mother Russia. Do u think the youth of these countries wants the commies back....they'll all take the money but none of Moscow's meddling.

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2009, 11:28:39 AM »
Oddly Russia is falling apart at the seams, they're suffering with the weak price in oil and their economy is in a shambles because of it.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2009, 12:14:42 PM »
U don't need to worry about Poland heading back to mother Russia. Do u think the youth of these countries wants the commies back....they'll all take the money but none of Moscow's meddling.

When HUNGER hits their dinner plates they will gladly go running in to the arms of Russia with no problem. So far as the youth go...most of them are brain dead to Russia's history so...
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2009, 12:15:48 PM »
Oddly Russia is falling apart at the seams, they're suffering with the weak price in oil and their economy is in a shambles because of it.

Not according to this article...and with vast oil reserves that top the Mid Easts...this is one storm they will be able to weather
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 12:27:44 PM »
When HUNGER hits their dinner plates they will gladly go running in to the arms of Russia with no problem. So far as the youth go...most of them are brain dead to Russia's history so...

Yeah well having served with soldiers from former eastern block countries....they are all well aware of recent Russian history..plus they all got a reminder when Russia "invaded" Georgia.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 12:45:10 PM »
I ahte the Russians and have been prepared my whole life to kill boat loads of them befoire being overrun..but they outmanuevered Barry the Brave, easily this week, while he sold out the Czechs and Poles. Good job Barry..now u've pissed off the Brits, Czechs and Poles..but hey the Palestinians like us.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 02:15:32 PM »
Yeah well having served with soldiers from former eastern block countries....they are all well aware of recent Russian history..plus they all got a reminder when Russia "invaded" Georgia.

Russia invaded Georgia thanks to america and its games...It set Georgia up to be the sacrificial lamb in order to see if Russia would actually attack if it antagonized Russia. Georgia now knows not to depend on america for help nor to involve itself in those cat and mouse games of trying to"TEST" Russia to see if it will follow through on its threats. Even Putin and Medvedev are fully aware of americas part in coaxing Georgia into the attack (admitted in the news) as well as america has admitted to doing "DRILLS" in Georgia with american troops, which brought on the attack. Serves the Georgians ass right for playing into americas games
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2009, 02:18:13 PM »
I ahte the Russians and have been prepared my whole life to kill boat loads of them befoire being overrun..but they outmanuevered Barry the Brave, easily this week, while he sold out the Czechs and Poles. Good job Barry..now u've pissed off the Brits, Czechs and Poles..but hey the Palestinians like us.

Why would you hate the Russians ??...they have done nothing to you or america. The PROVOCATEUR has been as it still is.. america who has caused so many a nation to put it high on their CONTEMPT LIST. Right now the only thing protecting america is three thousand miles of Atlantic ocean and six thousand miles of Pacific ocean. At some point even that is not going to save it from the anger of the worlds countries.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 02:24:10 PM »
We had 105 advisers...and do hold exercises with the Georgians, anti-terror exercises that are no threat to the Russians. We warned the Georgians not to do what they did. What Russia just happened to have troops, armor and air all massed on the border right about the time of the olympics. They had guys causing problems in what is Georgian territory. The Georgians should have let em go, but its their country.

Ah..Russia and the US have been at odds since 1945. They have been our enemy since that time. If u think the world hates the US that much ur a bigger moron then I thought. We're the only one keeping the nutbags from butchering each other. Where are U from... that would answer all this anti-American BS. Oh and u don't knopw half of what happened in Georgia and who did what to whom.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2009, 03:12:42 PM »
We had 105 advisers...and do hold exercises with the Georgians, anti-terror exercises that are no threat to the Russians. We warned the Georgians not to do what they did. What Russia just happened to have troops, armor and air all massed on the border right about the time of the olympics. They had guys causing problems in what is Georgian territory. The Georgians should have let em go, but its their country.

Ah..Russia and the US have been at odds since 1945. They have been our enemy since that time. If u think the world hates the US that much ur a bigger moron then I thought. We're the only one keeping the nutbags from butchering each other. Where are U from... that would answer all this anti-American BS. Oh and u don't knopw half of what happened in Georgia and who did what to whom.

You are clueless to the ills of america...why would america run "DRILLS" in the Georgia region of the world? Why is america arming the Ethiopians to attack the Somalis? Why is america involved in the Kurds cause in Iraq? Why is america involved in changing governments in Iraq? Why is america trying to install ballistic missiles in Poland claiming it is for Iraq? Why is america threatening Iran who has done nothing? Why is america involving itself in the affairs of China and Taiwan? Why is america involved in perpetuating the conflict in Sudan (Darfur)? Why is america always in some other nations business that it should not be in. WHY WHY WHY.....Even your constitution says to stay OUT of the affairs of foreign nations...something that is violated continuously. America is constantly threatening Cuba who has done nothing, Venezuela who has done nothing, Mexico who has done nothing, China who has done nothing, Korea who has done nothing, Bolivia who has done nothing...do I need to go on? america is the PROBLEM!!! So far as america keeping any nation form "BUTCHERING" one another...It in not until america is involved in their affairs that the BUTCHERING begins..that should tell you something. But alas you must be an american soldier and being so you are brain washed, brain dead and deaf to all truths. Blind support of any country is willfulness. NEVER trust your nation or its government wholeheartedly ALWAYS have questions and demand answers....that is a REAL DEMOCRACY...not that joke you americans live under claiming as a democracy.
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Re: RUSSIA STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2009, 03:32:04 PM »
You are clueless to the ills of america...why would america run "DRILLS" in the Georgia region of the world? Why is america arming the Ethiopians to attack the Somalis? Why is america involved in the Kurds cause in Iraq? Why is america involved in changing governments in Iraq? Why is america trying to install ballistic missiles in Poland claiming it is for Iraq? Why is america threatening Iran who has done nothing? Why is america involving itself in the affairs of China and Taiwan? Why is america involved in perpetuating the conflict in Sudan (Darfur)? Why is america always in some other nations business that it should not be in. WHY WHY WHY.....Even your constitution says to stay OUT of the affairs of foreign nations...something that is violated continuously. America is constantly threatening Cuba who has done nothing, Venezuela who has done nothing, Mexico who has done nothing, China who has done nothing, Korea who has done nothing, Bolivia who has done nothing...do I need to go on? america is the PROBLEM!!! So far as america keeping any nation form "BUTCHERING" one another...It in not until america is involved in their affairs that the BUTCHERING begins..that should tell you something. But alas you must be an american soldier and being so you are brain washed, brain dead and deaf to all truths. Blind support of any country is willfulness. NEVER trust your nation or its government wholeheartedly ALWAYS have questions and demand answers....that is a REAL DEMOCRACY...not that joke you americans live under claiming as a democracy.

Nice Rant.

However war has existed since before America was nation.

Islamic expansion has existed before America existed.

Hatred and massacring of Jews has existed before America existed.

Nations have always protected other nations. It is called an alliance.

Read some history and stop reading all of that CT crap.

By the way you use the name of a Jew yet you hate them.
http://rinahshal.tripod.com/id165.html

Have fun.
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Re: RUSSIA STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2009, 03:39:14 PM »
Nice Rant.

However war has existed since before America was nation.

Islamic expansion has existed before America existed.

Hatred and massacring of Jews has existed before America existed.

Nations have always protected other nations. It is called an alliance.

Read some history and stop reading all of that CT crap.

By the way you use the name of a Jew yet you hate them.
http://rinahshal.tripod.com/id165.html

Have fun.

SAMSON was an ISRAELITE...not a jew. BIG DIFFERENCE...read the Bible...

The rest of you non-intelligent babble I am not even going to address..you're a soldier right???
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Re: RUSSIA STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2009, 04:57:16 PM »
Oh what are we doing in Darfur..who gives a shit. What were we doing in Georgia...dumbass we're training their anti-terror forces at the invite of the Gov. Iran done nothing huh..ur such a jackass...EFP's in Iraq to most of the terrorist attacks in the 1980's and beyond were funded in whole or in part by Iran. We're threatening Cuba...must have missed that. Ur not American are u..but u won't tell us were ur from will u. I guess its another country that just doesn't matter. And all those countries that I missed, they did something.  North Korea hahahah ur an asshat.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2009, 05:12:04 PM »
Oh what are we doing in Darfur..who gives a shit. What were we doing in Georgia...dumbass we're training their anti-terror forces at the invite of the Gov. Iran done nothing huh..ur such a jackass...EFP's in Iraq to most of the terrorist attacks in the 1980's and beyond were funded in whole or in part by Iran. We're threatening Cuba...must have missed that. Ur not American are u..but u won't tell us were ur from will u. I guess its another country that just doesn't matter. And all those countries that I missed, they did something.  North Korea hahahah ur an asshat.

Lemme see Oliver North is caught in the Iran Contra affair where he was selling drugs in america, funding a war in Central America and siphoning off money to send to Iran (americas friend in the 1980s) inorder to fund a war between Iran and Iraq. Funny though how america was funding that same war except on the other side a few years earlier...giving money to Saddam Hussein to fight against the Iranians...and for what ??? so america could get control first of the oil fields in Iraq, then america changed sides and tried getting control of the oil fields in Iran BUT BOTH ATTEMPTS FAILED. Successive wars Persian Gulf and the Kuwait bullshit finally gave america what it always wanted and that was/is control of Iraqs oil field and now america is trying to do the same with Iran's by making false claims on terrorism and nuclear bombs.

Ummm Sudan..last time I check the whole of the south of Sudan is saturated with OIL...you know that black stuff america wants to control around the world. so america started the civil fighting in Darfur as a distraction while it tries to get the oil from southern Sudan...but how will it get it to america. Start by funding a war with Ethiopia and Somalia (which america did) while that is happening build a pipeline from southern Sudan across to Ethiopia, then straight across to Somalia. Then attack a couple of oil tankers and say they are Somali pirates and then say there is a need for an american military presence in Somalia so they can thwart these pirates. Start by building an embassy in Somalia (which america recently did) keep attacking oil tankers (which america continues to do) give it lots of world wide attention (which american has). Send over military by way of the UN (which america has done) and then start building a port in Somalia whcih will be the terminal for the oil being pumped out of Sudan. MY MY MY...isn't america crafty??? and I guess you didn't know this either....JACKASS

You didn't know about the continued threats to Cuba which have been going on since the Kennedy administration to this very day??? YOU ARE BEYOND STUPID..OR YOU ARE A SOLDIER...six one way half a dozen the other
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