Forced Blood Draw

[Bindare_Dundat]

Police want to be able to forcibly draw blood from suspected drunk drivers.

[The Showstoppa]

I don't even think they should have those friday/saturday stop every single person going down the road things.  Very annoying driving home from dinner and spending an extra 15 minutes in a line of cars so some cop can stick his face in my face and ask if I've been drinking.  Now they have cause to check someone coming out of a bar and jumping in the car but not every single person driving down the road because it's friday   I'd rather just see them up the penalty for drunk driving than pull people over with no cause.  and no, I'm against the drawing blood.  There's probably bigger motives.  Next they'll be pulling everyone over and drawing blood and no doubt they'll probably start dna testing and building databases and all kinds of crazy shit.  It's just one thing after another.  There has to be a stoping point somewhere.  Hell, why don't they just offer a hundred bucks to anyone who turns in a drunk getting behind the wheel.  They're probably spending that or more for drawing/testing blood.

i agree Hugo.  How about worrying more about much of the reckless driving that goes on consistently on highways?  There should have to be probably cause to pull someone over, which is what they avoid with the roadside check stuff. 

I witness people driving like complete maniacs almost everday, weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating at 75mph, etc....

[The Showstoppa]

I never drink and drive but there is zero way I would let a cop stick a needle in me.  not happening.

So much of this is just a political game to look "tough on crime."  Drunk driving is an easy target.  It's not like you are going to find people who are in favor of it...hahaha.

[drkaje]

Forced blood draws have been the law in places like Germany for years. They prevent people who refuse breath testing from skating by.

[The Showstoppa]

Forced blood draws have been the law in places like Germany for years. They prevent people who refuse breath testing from skating by.

they are already in place here too doc.  It's just that if you refuse a roadside, they will haul you to the hospital and draw it there.  I think this is suggesting roadside tests.

[drkaje]

I wouldn't be in favor of cops doing it but it's pretty hard to balance individual rights against the public safety issues like DUI.

[LurkerNoMore]

Not agreeing with it, but I am all in favor in whatever measures they need to take to keep drunks off the road.  The roadblocks are a nuisance, but it only takes one idiot to end the life of someone else in a moment's notice. 

[The Showstoppa]

If public safety is their concern, like showstoppa said, there is so much out of control reckless driving that goes on, they could be pulling over people all day long.  In most big cities, it's hard not to see something extremely fucked up happen every 10 minutes it seems like.

I would like to see how many drunk drivers get away scot free for refusing to cooperate with the standard tests.  I bet the number is low to zero.

DUI is just a hot button issue.  The amount of accidents each year by people falling asleep at the wheel, dwarfs the amount caused by DUI.  I think a lot of it is the "moral" issue of drinking at all, that is the basis of this, but we could go on forever about that. 

No, it's not ok to drink and drive, but it's not ok to do 100mph on an expressway, be so tired you fall asleep at the wheel, etc.... but people are guilty of those every day with little to no punishment.  They make a choice to drive will tired, so what is the difference?  They are still endangering other people.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Its the part where the cops want to do it that's fucked

[Dos Equis]

Screw that.  Definitely crosses the line. 

[tonymctones]

I never drink and drive but there is zero way I would let a cop stick a needle in me.  not happening.

LOL arent you for legalizing pot? hahaha how do you think they will test for that?

[tonymctones]

LOL arent you for legalizing pot? hahaha how do you think they will test for that?

bump for those who are in favor of legalizing pot but not in favor of blood test, how would you guys test for driving under the influence of pot?

[tonymctones]

ohhhh come on huggy bear sorry to call you out but youre the only one up right now, youre against street side blood testing for alcohol but, youre for legalizing pot which the only way to test for strength is through blood tests? pls explain this

[Alex23]

If some guy is trashed, refuses roadside tests, I have no problem with them being taken in, a warrant obtained and blood drawn BY A MEDICAL PROFFESSINAL!!!  Not a fucking cop on the side of the road

I remember one time we were driving on the interstate and got pulled over for going 5 miles an hour over the speed limit.  It was one of the areas where they dropped the interstate speed through a small town   My buddy was laughing his ass off while the cop was asking questions.  He determined we were totally wasted.  .  We hadn't had anything.  So we had to sit there and go through their tests, nothing.  He questioned us one at a time in his car. Then the cop asked to search the car, we didn't have anything to hide so we said ok.  He got this great big fucking smile and said ok, like we were totally busted.  He went back to his car, made a call and 15 minutes later there was this big epic production of dogs and cops going apeshit on the car while I just stood there in awe.  They found nothing and let us go with a warning to keep the speed down, almost an hour and a half after being pulled over   The only thing that would have made the adventure more entertaining is to have one of these gung ho fuckheads jabbing our arms with needles

Epic police abuse and I come from a long lineage of cops myself.

My dad would've personally PIPed the overzealous "cop" to no end.

[Alex23]

lol, at least we didn't get tazered more good measure I guess. 

I'm guessing you live between a suburbia and a rural area (not venezuela). The fat fuckers polly don't have shit to do and an incident report makes them feel better.

Epic counterproductive self reassuring behavior.

I'm out to watch the "top 100 one hit wonder" countdown I recorded ealier.

[drkaje]

If public safety is their concern, like showstoppa said, there is so much out of control reckless driving that goes on, they could be pulling over people all day long.  In most big cities, it's hard not to see something extremely fucked up happen every 10 minutes it seems like.

I would like to see how many drunk drivers get away scot free for refusing to cooperate with the standard tests.  I bet the number is low to zero.

Pretty much 1/4 of drivers are legally drunk on weekends after midnight. My problem with the stat is that the legal limit has been lowered. We had a politician who crashed into a telephone pole because they were 'tired'... they were belligerent, slurring words but refused breath testing "because I knew I was sober and didn't want to waste the cop's time". The person was legally sober by the time a blood test was ordered.

[George Whorewell]

Legally, this will never happen- Trust me.

The 4th amendment won't allow it and there are Supreme Court cases that specifically oppose these kinds of practices. If I'm not mistaken the only time the cops can force you to take a blood test ( from a medical professional) is if you kill or injure someone while driving drunk and you refuse to take a breathlizer.

[drkaje]

I'm having a hard time believing 1 out of 4 are drunk after midnight.  If they have to get a warrant to force a blood test, why don't they just force the breathalizer with a warrant?  wouldn't the driver be in deep shit for failing to comply?

Like I wrote it's on weekends. Plus they just lowered the limit to .08 in New York so it's impossible to tell how big a lie the statistic is.

[Hugo Chavez]

found a calculator if any is curious how much they can drink and be under .08


http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm