Cycle reccomendations...thoughts appreciated

[mademan80]

500mg/test e/wk 12 weeks
40mg oral  winny/eod 5-6 weeks
30mg dbol/ed 1st 4 weeks

pct

any thoughts? never ran winny and test before so im kind of shooting in the dark...all thoughts welcomed...please say if its way out there....should i just run inject. winny?

[Luv2Hurt]

Looks pretty good, except the winny.  Just drop that and save it for another cycle.  The Test and d-bol should be plenty for 12 week cycle.  If you really wanna do the winny then do it at the front in place of the d-bol.

[shrek]

true drop winny you are going to put too much strain on your system with back to back oral...........i would recomaend starting the dbol at 20mgs a day and see how your body feels and if its good for you you can do it for a good 6 weeks

[elite_lifter]

I don't get these 12 week/short cycles. If you want to do a short cycle do some TP w/Tren A. If your going to use a long ester go 16 weeks minimum. Make it worthwhile.

[Luv2Hurt]

I don't get these 12 week/short cycles. If you want to do a short cycle do some TP w/Tren A. If your going to use a long ester go 16 weeks minimum. Make it worthwhile.

Yes I agree 16 weeks is a good minimum for long ester cycles.

[tolliscd]

year round... back to back orals could be a strain if ran high enough dosage over a long period of time....I dont get why you would run winny first then dball like someone said...wouldnt you want to gain the size then harden it up?

[Luv2Hurt]

year round... back to back orals could be a strain if ran high enough dosage over a long period of time....I dont get why you would run winny first then dball like someone said...wouldnt you want to gain the size then harden it up?

Well I said to run the winny but drop the d-bol all together, 1 oral is enough on that short cycle IMO.  Winny will give a kick in the begining if you do it first.  To harden up really diet is responsible for that.

[mademan80]

what if i do inject. winny??...im prob going to drop the dbol all together and just do the winny test cycle...how long should i run the inject. winny and i will run the test for 16 weeks....so should i do 50-100mg winny eod? and for how long? thanx for the input fellas

[Luv2Hurt]

what if i do inject. winny??...im prob going to drop the dbol all together and just do the winny test cycle...how long should i run the inject. winny and i will run the test for 16 weeks....so should i do 50-100mg winny eod? and for how long? thanx for the input fellas

I think winny is best ED, especially if you do 100mg ED LOL  but 100mg EOD would be fine.

[mademan80]

I think winny is best ED, especially if you do 100mg ED LOL  but 100mg EOD would be fine.

how long should i run it for at 100mg eod or ed? about 4-6 weeks?

[Luv2Hurt]

how long should i run it for at 100mg eod or ed? about 4-6 weeks?

Yes, sounds good.  I like 6 better than 4 

[DIVISION]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


500mg sustanon/wk 12 weeks
50mg oral  winny/ed 7-12 weeks
50mg dbol/ed 1st 4 weeks

[Luv2Hurt]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


500mg sustanon/wk 12 weeks
50mg oral  winny/ed 7-12 weeks
50mg dbol/ed 1st 4 weeks

Hey that looks good too.  It all comes down to getting some gear in your system.

[mademan80]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


500mg sustanon/wk 12 weeks
50mg oral  winny/ed 7-12 weeks
50mg dbol/ed 1st 4 weeks

with a good diet this cycle sounds like i should yield some good results and be able to maintain them...im looking to gain about 10lbs of lean muscle

[mademan80]

why sust? and not a test p or e?

[toe2toe]

b/c of the extra bloat/retention

[shrek]

why sust? and not a test p or e?

well if you read up on sust than you would know that it is a superrior blend of esters that you cant get alone...... though it is higher in price it is well worth it......... 

[mademan80]

well if you read up on sust than you would know that it is a superrior blend of esters that you cant get alone...... though it is higher in price it is well worth it......... 

i have never had a prob with bloating from any of the esters...except from my first cycle

[toe2toe]

i am getting my first try at sus shortly but i ran enathate and cyp at 500mg ew and 400mg ew repectively and had lots of bloat.  i was only using 25mg dbol and eq with them.  my buddy is winding up his sus, mastaplex, and dbol cycle and has put on good size while staying wayyyy leaner than i did.  he is leaner naturally but how he eats as opposed to how i eat is like night and day as well.  the sus from what i can tell kicks ass basically man.  i just used enathate b/c i started this game at 135 lbs and just wanted freaking size man.  now i am at 183 today so it really comes down to what ur goals are bro

toe2toe