Is atheism a mental disorder?

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if i remember correctly i believe the eye developed in its early form as a way of detecting sunlight underwater and eventually, everything has an explination beach...

Ok so humans now are the only way they have ever been is what you believe? again then why arent there human remains further back then 250.000 yrs? there arent b/c humans as we know them now didnt exist further back then that they developed from another species and that species from another and so on and so on. The reason i ask you is b/c as a person who believes in ID you probably believe that God made all creatures at the same time correct? if thats what you believe why do you think there is such descrepency in time between species? This descrepency falls right in line with evolution.

I really dont think you have studied evolution or more specifically the evolution of humans, there is a fairly clear logical progression in features and taxonomic classification from earliers species to modern day humans.

of course there is, everything that has been discovered or questioned so far has had a reasonable natural explanation. It makes sense to conclude this progression would keep occuring.

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if i remember correctly i believe the eye developed in its early form as a way of detecting sunlight underwater and eventually, everything has an explination beach...

Ok so humans now are the only way they have ever been is what you believe? again then why arent there human remains further back then 250.000 yrs? there arent b/c humans as we know them now didnt exist further back then that they developed from another species and that species from another and so on and so on. The reason i ask you is b/c as a person who believes in ID you probably believe that God made all creatures at the same time correct? if thats what you believe why do you think there is such descrepency in time between species? This descrepency falls right in line with evolution.

I really dont think you have studied evolution or more specifically the evolution of humans, there is a fairly clear logical progression in features and taxonomic classification from earliers species to modern day humans.

No, there isn't an explanation for everything.  Regarding the eye, there are parts of the eye that are dependent on each other that could not have evolved in stages.  This is true for other biological organisms, etc.   

If you think there is an explanation for everything, then try and answer some of the unanswered questions in this thread (Billions of Missing Links):   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=179381.0

Yes I believe humans were created in their present form.  You simply saying humans evolved doesn’t make it true.  It's nothing more than assumption. 

I don't know if there is a time discrepancy between species.   

I really don't think you have ever taken a serious look at the gaping holes in the theory of evolution. 

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No, there isn't an explanation for everything.  Regarding the eye, there are parts of the eye that are dependent on each other that could not have evolved in stages.  This is true for other biological organisms, etc.   

If you think there is an explanation for everything, then try and answer some of the unanswered questions in this thread (Billions of Missing Links):   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=179381.0

Yes I believe humans were created in their present form.  You simply saying humans evolved doesn’t make it true.  It's nothing more than assumption. 

I don't know if there is a time discrepancy between species.   

I really don't think you have ever taken a serious look at the gaping holes in the theory of evolution. 

There are big discrepencies in time between species if you believe radiometric dating is correct and if all creatures were made at the same time you wouldnt see that would you?

Give me a book beach that you think sums up your point of view best and ill try and read it, i will send you my old text books if you like so you can read on the logical progression shown in physical and other features from species to species all the way up to modern day humans.

Its an assumption backed up with alot of research beach done by countless ppl and over decades bro, im not saying that everything about evolution is 100% correct.

the simple fact modern day human skeletons arent found past 250,000 years ago and that other species of animals are much much much older shoots a major hole in ID's idea that man was made at the same time as all creatures and how they look today.

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There are big discrepencies in time between species if you believe radiometric dating is correct and if all creatures were made at the same time you wouldnt see that would you?

Give me a book beach that you think sums up your point of view best and ill try and read it, i will send you my old text books if you like so you can read on the logical progression shown in physical and other features from species to species all the way up to modern day humans.

Its an assumption backed up with alot of research beach done by countless ppl and over decades bro, im not saying that everything about evolution is 100% correct.

the simple fact modern day human skeletons arent found past 250,000 years ago and that other species of animals are much much much older shoots a major hole in ID's idea that man was made at the same time as all creatures and how they look today.

I've read plenty about evolution.   (See all of the classes I mentioned that you asked about earlier in the thread.) 

If you're really interested in challenging what we've been taught, I'd highly recommend "Darwin's Black Box" and "Billions of Missing Links."  They don't make a case for ID per se.  They point out the glaring problems with the theory of evolution.  It's hard to make it through a chapter of Billions of Missing Links and conclude this is all an accident IMO.  Very good book.  Or you can just read the excerpts I posted in the thread.    

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There are lots of examples (the eye, etc.).  I think I mentioned a few in the "Darwin's Black Box" thread a while back. 

I don't believe there are any half-human transitional fossils.  If there is a fossil that isn't considered human, that's because it isn't human. 

Not sure what you want me to address regarding the time difference issue, because it's not an issue for me.  I don't know if human remains have been found with dinosaurs, etc.  There are actually far more and greater question regarding the monkey business than intelligent design.  You should check out the "Billions of Missing Links" thread (which I haven't updated in a while).     

Over ten years old and thoroughly debunked by scientists. Just shows how little you know.

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I've read plenty about evolution.   (See all of the classes I mentioned that you asked about earlier in the thread.) 

If you're really interested in challenging what we've been taught, I'd highly recommend "Darwin's Black Box" and "Billions of Missing Links."  They don't make a case for ID per se.  They point out the glaring problems with the theory of evolution.  It's hard to make it through a chapter of Billions of Missing Links and conclude this is all an accident IMO.  Very good book.  Or you can just read the excerpts I posted in the thread.    

you obviously didnt get into a class that shoowed the complex intricacies of it, you seem to have simply taken classes that give you a glancing overview, you ever take a class specifically about evolutionairy processes and reasons for the theories being the way they are like the species, taxonomic classification, genealogical trees etc? id be willing to be you haven't again ill read your book and you read mine hows that sound...I dont mean to talk down to you beach and i hope im not coming across like that but its obvious that you have a great deal of misinformation on the topic. I dont mean to try and disprove God in your mind as i believe in God only to open your mind to other possibilities.

Id rather read a book b/c i can do that away from the computer if i get on the computer i get add and ill be all over the place and i watch T.V. through my computer so it would never happen.

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you obviously didnt get into a class that shoowed the complex intricacies of it, you seem to have simply taken classes that give you a glancing overview, you ever take a class specifically about evolutionairy processes and reasons for the theories being the way they are like the species, taxonomic classification, genealogical trees etc? id be willing to be you haven't again ill read your book and you read mine hows that sound...I dont mean to talk down to you beach and i hope im not coming across like that but its obvious that you have a great deal of misinformation on the topic. I dont mean to try and disprove God in your mind as i believe in God only to open your mind to other possibilities.

Id rather read a book b/c i can do that away from the computer if i get on the computer i get add and ill be all over the place and i watch T.V. through my computer so it would never happen.

Theists believing in evolution are weird.

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Theists believing in evolution are weird.

not really i dont take a literal view of all biblical events especially events in which nobody was around to see and even those the bible was written by man and b/c of that is subject to bias and exageration. Do I believe the concept and teachings ya i do, is it really important how these concepts and teachings came to be? not to me really.

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Theists believing in evolution are weird.

Yeah, so, what of it?
 

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Over ten years old and thoroughly debunked by scientists. Just shows how little you know.

Thanks for your participation.   

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you obviously didnt get into a class that shoowed the complex intricacies of it, you seem to have simply taken classes that give you a glancing overview, you ever take a class specifically about evolutionairy processes and reasons for the theories being the way they are like the species, taxonomic classification, genealogical trees etc? id be willing to be you haven't again ill read your book and you read mine hows that sound...I dont mean to talk down to you beach and i hope im not coming across like that but its obvious that you have a great deal of misinformation on the topic. I dont mean to try and disprove God in your mind as i believe in God only to open your mind to other possibilities.

Id rather read a book b/c i can do that away from the computer if i get on the computer i get add and ill be all over the place and i watch T.V. through my computer so it would never happen.

Have I ever taken a close that taught nothing but evolution?  No.  I don't think a class like that was offered when I was in school.  Did I take numerous courses that taught the theory?  Yes.

I don't think you're talking down to me at all.  I'm always open to new ideas.  I seriously doubt I will read anything that will cause me to believe in the monkey business, but if you have a book you want to recommend let me know and I'll check it out.

I'm sort of backed up on my reading now.  I usually alternate between fiction and nonfiction with each book, but I've been cheating and reading fiction for the most part lately.  I did order a book by someone who was formerly one of the world's most notorious atheists and now believes in God, but it hasn't come in yet.   

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Have I ever taken a close that taught nothing but evolution?  No.  I don't think a class like that was offered when I was in school.  Did I take numerous courses that taught the theory?  Yes.

I don't think you're talking down to me at all.  I'm always open to new ideas.  I seriously doubt I will read anything that will cause me to believe in the monkey business, but if you have a book you want to recommend let me know and I'll check it out.

I'm sort of backed up on my reading now.  I usually alternate between fiction and nonfiction with each book, but I've been cheating and reading fiction for the most part lately.  I did order a book by someone who was formerly one of the world's most notorious atheists and now believes in God, but it hasn't come in yet.   

the book i would recommend is actually a text book from one of my anthro classes, In all classes you mentioned that ive taken none went into detail about evolution why they theory is the way it is and what information has led them to believe this all they said is this is what evolution is and if thats where your education stops you really need to do yourself a favor and do some more research.

Ill dig out my old text book and give you the name shoot i could mail it to you if you wanted.

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No, there isn't an explanation for everything.  Regarding the eye, there are parts of the eye that are dependent on each other that could not have evolved in stages.  This is true for other biological organisms, etc.   

If you think there is an explanation for everything, then try and answer some of the unanswered questions in this thread (Billions of Missing Links):   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=179381.0

Yes I believe humans were created in their present form.  You simply saying humans evolved doesn’t make it true.  It's nothing more than assumption. 

I don't know if there is a time discrepancy between species.   

I really don't think you have ever taken a serious look at the gaping holes in the theory of evolution. 

dude this crap has been debunked over and over..........

are you serious with this? because i thin even if it gets debunked you will continue beleiving.

Look i use to have some pantheistic leanings, theistic even at one point but reading the evidence, looking at the facts i concluded that a benevolent creature does not exist. However,the impossibility of a complete set, eternity, infinity, godel, math among other things does leave you awe inspired. Its ok to say you dont have the answers, but being intellectually dishonest is not cool, like these ID people, they wouldn't even defend the theory the expouse in court. What does that say? they refused to take the stand and the case was thrown out...................

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the book i would recommend is actually a text book from one of my anthro classes, In all classes you mentioned that ive taken none went into detail about evolution why they theory is the way it is and what information has led them to believe this all they said is this is what evolution is and if thats where your education stops you really need to do yourself a favor and do some more research.

Ill dig out my old text book and give you the name shoot i could mail it to you if you wanted.

Let me know the title of the book. 

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dude this crap has been debunked over and over..........

are you serious with this? because i thin even if it gets debunked you will continue beleiving.

Look i use to have some pantheistic leanings, theistic even at one point but reading the evidence, looking at the facts i concluded that a benevolent creature does not exist. However,the impossibility of a complete set, eternity, infinity, godel, math among other things does leave you awe inspired. Its ok to say you dont have the answers, but being intellectually dishonest is not cool, like these ID people, they wouldn't even defend the theory the expouse in court. What does that say? they refused to take the stand and the case was thrown out...................

That's your opinion.  I've actually read and experienced enough to conclude macroevolution really doesn't make sense.

Whether you like it or not, we both have a faith-based belief in the origin of life on earth.   

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Let me know the title of the book. 

I cant find it i might have thrown it out  LOL i did a little research though and the class it was for was called "Human Origins" and was anth 3361 class. I searched the online school store but they dont have any books specified for this class yet maybe in another week or two for their summer students ill keep you informed...Ill try and email the prof and maybe she will remember or recommend another text.

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I emailed my old professor so hopefully she gets back to me.

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That's your opinion.  I've actually read and experienced enough to conclude macroevolution really doesn't make sense.

Whether you like it or not, we both have a faith-based belief in the origin of life on earth.   

i have no faith in the origin of life, evolution doesnt deal with that, another misnomer by you indicating you really havent examined the material.

Macroevolution has been demonstrated numerous times in the lab and in nature, its ok if it doesnt make sense but it is a verifiable fact. You can review the peer reviewed papers yourself.

IT HAS BEEN WITNESSED AND REPEATED AND DOCUMENTED JUST LIKE GRAVITY. why do you contend it doesnt make sense, it makes perfect sense.  A creator making everything from nothing makes no sense becuase you have to explain the creator and it adds more info to the argument which is unexplanible.

do you realize that the vast majority of well educated people and professionals accept evolution? That it is perhaps the most widely used theory in history. We owe medicine to evolution.

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i have no faith in the origin of life, evolution doesnt deal with that, another misnomer by you indicating you really havent examined the material.

Macroevolution has been demonstrated numerous times in the lab and in nature, its ok if it doesnt make sense but it is a verifiable fact. You can review the peer reviewed papers yourself.

IT HAS BEEN WITNESSED AND REPEATED AND DOCUMENTED JUST LIKE GRAVITY. why do you contend it doesnt make sense, it makes perfect sense.  A creator making everything from nothing makes no sense becuase you have to explain the creator and it adds more info to the argument which is unexplanible.

do you realize that the vast majority of well educated people and professionals accept evolution? That it is perhaps the most widely used theory in history. We owe medicine to evolution.

What is your scientifically based belief in the origin of life on earth? 

When has macroevolution ever been witnessed, documented, etc. in a lab? 

Yes, I do realize that a large number of well educated people and professional accept evolution.  I also recognize that a majority of the country does not.  And that a number of well educated, extremely bright people do not accept the theory of evolution.  In any event, I don't typically form opinions based on percentages of people who agree or disagree with me.   

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What is your scientifically based belief in the origin of life on earth? 

When has macroevolution ever been witnessed, documented, etc. in a lab? 

Yes, I do realize that a large number of well educated people and professional accept evolution.  I also recognize that a majority of the country does not.  And that a number of well educated, extremely bright people do not accept the theory of evolution.  In any event, I don't typically form opinions based on percentages of people who agree or disagree with me.   

ihave no belief on origins as i do not know. I think autocatalysis might be correct as computer models have showed it to work. However, i without a definite belief until it is a fact..

i can post papers if you like.

the majority of the country are theists. 99% of scientists agree on evolution, a few people may disagree, i bet they are theists and have a hidden agenda. Basing anything off publc polls is ridiculous as the majority of people beleive in alien abduction. However, when the scientific community agrees almost completely on the basics of a theory it holds much more water.

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ihave no belief on origins as i do not know. I think autocatalysis might be correct as computer models have showed it to work. However, i without a definite belief until it is a fact..

i can post papers if you like.

the majority of the country are theists. 99% of scientists agree on evolution, a few people may disagree, i bet they are theists and have a hidden agenda. Basing anything off publc polls is ridiculous as the majority of people beleive in alien abduction. However, when the scientific community agrees almost completely on the basics of a theory it holds much more water.

Interesting.  You have no belief at all about how life began on earth?  No views at all on what the first organism was?  How it got here? 

No, don't post papers.  A link will do. 

So now you're talking about the scientific community and not "the vast majority of well educated people and professionals" who believe in the theory of evolution?  What's your opinion of all of the well educated people and professionals who don't believe in the theory? 

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Interesting.  You have no belief at all about how life began on earth?  No views at all on what the first organism was?  How it got here? 

No, don't post papers.  A link will do. 

So now you're talking about the scientific community and not "the vast majority of well educated people and professionals" who believe in the theory of evolution?  What's your opinion of all of the well educated people and professionals who don't believe in the theory? 

the vast majority of educated people in beleive in evolution. I was referring to the scientific community not the arts community who could be well educated, just not on evolution, hence their opinions do not matter.

my opinion on those who have an education in biology at a high level and do not beleive in evolution is that they have a hidden agenda. These people are religious, there arguments are insignificant and usually full of holes.

There are legitamite arguments in evolutionary biology but if you are asking specifically about those who use god to explain origin and diversity then above is my answer.