I don't even know why the embryonic stem cell issue is still being discussed at this point. Stem cells can be harvested from anyone's fat cells, bone marrow, muscles, skin, blood and just about every other part of a person's body, which are of the same effectiveness as embryonic. There is no need to get them from embryos. This embryonic nonsense does however have its benefits to those who would benefit form using the excuse/delay tactic. Right now the medical establishment is fighing over who will be able to make money from this technique/process...To delay the use of stem cell research while they work things out...they interject the supposed concern for embryos, fetuses and aborted babys, which gives them time to continue working on the financial aspects of this branch of medical science while the "holier and thous" make issue after issue... In all of this time I wonder just how many people could have been cured of diseases and conditions had they not have been caught up in this wasteful money grubbing or religious ideologies.