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It's Obama's War Now
« on: May 12, 2009, 08:43:53 PM »
The first and only good move by Barry..glad to see he's taking P4's advice....good job. McChrystal is fucking insane, on a level nobody here could understand. He and JSOC kicked ass in Iraq, they killed and captured until there was nothing left. He'd outrun and ruck anybody here at his age. He the right guy for this job. I'm interested to see how he treats the troop surge. He's a Black Ops guy and tons of GI's stomping around aren't his style.


The ouster of Afghanistan commander David McKiernan could make—or break—the Obama presidency.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Monday, May 11, 2009, at 6:45 PM ET
Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced this afternoon that he has "asked for the resignation" of Gen. David McKiernan, commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, and that he plans to replace him with Gen. Stanley McChrystal.


McKiernan's ouster signals a dramatic shift in U.S. strategy for the war in Afghanistan. And it means that the war is now, unequivocally, "Obama's war." The president has decided to set a new course, not merely to muddle through the next six months or so.

First, let's clarify a few things. When a Cabinet officer asks for a subordinate's resignation, it means that he's firing the guy. This doesn't happen very often in the U.S. military. McKiernan had another year to go as commander. (When Gen. George Casey's strategy clearly wasn't working in Iraq, President George W. Bush let him serve out his term, then promoted him to Army chief of staff.) Gates also made it clear he wasn't acting on a personal whim. He said that he took the step after consulting with Gen. David Petraeus, commander of U.S. Central Command; Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and President Barack Obama. According to one senior official, Gates went over to Afghanistan last week for the sole purpose of giving McKiernan the news face-to-face.

Gates emphasized at a press conference today that McKiernan didn't do anything specifically wrong but that "fresh thinking" was needed urgently. The United States couldn't just wait until the current commander's term ran out.


An intellectual battle is now raging within the Army between an "old guard" that thinks about war in conventional, force-on-force terms and a "new guard" that focuses more on "asymmetric conflicts" and counterinsurgency.

McKiernan is an excellent general in the old mold. McChrystal, who rose through the ranks as a special-forces officer, is an excellent general in the new mold. He has also worked closely with Gates and Petraeus. (In his press conference, Gates referred to McChrystal's "unique skill set in counterinsurgency.") For the past year, McChrystal has been director of the Pentagon's Joint Staff. More pertinently, for five years before that, he was commander of the Joint Special Operations Command, a highly secretive operation that hunted down and killed key jihadist fighters, including, most sensationally, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq.

Last fall, Bob Woodward reported in the Washington Post that JSOC played a crucial, unsung role in the tactical success of the Iraqi "surge." Using techniques of what McChrystal called "collaborative warfare," JSOC combined intelligence intercepts with quick, precision strikes to "eliminate" large numbers of key insurgent leaders.

This appointment will not be without controversy. McChrystal's command also provided the personnel for Task Force 6-26, an elite unit of 1,000 special-ops forces that engaged in harsh interrogation of detainees in Camp Nama as far back as 2003. The interrogations were so harsh that five Army officers were convicted on charges of abuse. (McChrystal himself was not implicated in the excesses, but the unit's slogan, which set the tone for its practices, was "If you don't make them bleed, they can't prosecute for it.")

Gates also announced yesterday that he would nominate Gen. David Rodriguez to be the deputy commander in Afghanistan, a newly created position. Rodriguez is currently Gates' military assistant and, before that, was commander of U.S. forces in eastern Afghanistan. These forces, which are separate from those under NATO command, spend most of the time going after Taliban fighters.

McChrystal and Rodriguez are close friends. They have both been in Washington for more than a year. And Geoff Morrell, Gates' press secretary, said in a phone interview this afternoon that they're both "champing at the bit" to get back on the front lines. "They're rested and raring to go," he said. "They understand the strategy. They're determined to win. They will do what is necessary to win."

We've heard this kind of talk before, of course. Fresh, new, and determined don't necessarily add up to victory. But the shift in command does mark a dramatic change from the uncertain muddle we've seen up to now. And Obama's whole presidency may rise or fall on whether it succeeds.

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Re: It's Obama's War Now
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 08:47:18 PM »
If the guy ran JSOC he is okay with me running the show.  My opinion doesn't mean shit as I have not served yet but they are the best operators and a guy running that outfit surely knows what it takes to win a conflict like this one.  After reading "Jawbreaker" and starting another book about UW groups, it is evident that conventional generals have screwed the pooch on more than one occasion.
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Re: It's Obama's War Now
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 08:53:52 PM »
He's on another level so the Leftist shitbags better be prepared. He's tossed journalists out of his area for publishing to much on his boys. He had to keep em from wacking the guy. They made up a full COL from whom they quoted in all the papers, as disinformation...not to mention all the AQ guys they tortured and may or may not have dumped. He got Al Zarquwi. This will become the black ops war it should be. They tends to save the lives of everybody but the bad guys...and should free NATO/UN to help the people of Afghanistan.
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Re: It's Obama's War Now
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 09:03:03 PM »
About time we got someone in there who isn't afraid to take it to these pieces of shit in the way it should be.

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Re: It's Obama's War Now
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 09:08:26 PM »
He's on another level so the Leftist shitbags better be prepared. He's tossed journalists out of his area for publishing to much on his boys. He had to keep em from wacking the guy. They made up a full COL from whom they quoted in all the papers, as disinformation...not to mention all the AQ guys they tortured and may or may not have dumped. He got Al Zarquwi. This will become the black ops war it should be. They tends to save the lives of everybody but the bad guys...and should free NATO/UN to help the people of Afghanistan.
What's interesting is talking to a guy in that outfit about how he feels about the handling of things and comparing those statements to a UW guy and then hearing the whiners in NG/REMF units.  The men under SOCOM have different perspectives but they all want to do what it takes to accomplish the task and the commanders, according to them, fuck them over when they are about to complete their mission.  It happened to the CIA under Clinton, it happened to SF multiple times and according to Major ***** aka Dalton Fury, it happened in Tora Bora.  I imagine the level of respect they have for this man is like what they had for Gen. Garrison when he led them.
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Re: It's Obama's War Now
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2009, 04:25:35 AM »
He's on another level so the Leftist shitbags better be prepared. He's tossed journalists out of his area for publishing to much on his boys. He had to keep em from wacking the guy. They made up a full COL from whom they quoted in all the papers, as disinformation...not to mention all the AQ guys they tortured and may or may not have dumped. He got Al Zarquwi. This will become the black ops war it should be. They tends to save the lives of everybody but the bad guys...and should free NATO/UN to help the people of Afghanistan.

In your opinion, why was McKiernan picked by Obama?
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Re: It's Obama's War Now
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2009, 04:32:34 AM »
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Re: It's Obama's War Now
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 02:39:13 PM »
In your opinion, why was McKiernan picked by Obama?


McKiernan got fired or whatever by Gates, with Obama's blessing. There are some mitigating factors, like we don't own all the ground and its a "NATO" mission. So getting people to clean up areas's we don't own, is hard. Stan is a beast and will not except any of this, but he'll deal with the same roundblocks. I think he will bring his own guys in and JSOC will really run the show there. My last boss just went to JSOC, and oddly enough he's on a plane for Afghanistan, today.
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