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Health Care Showdown
« on: June 22, 2009, 10:08:38 AM »
June 22, 2009

Health Care Showdown
By PAUL KRUGMAN

America’s political scene has changed immensely since the last time a Democratic president tried to reform health care. So has the health care picture: with costs soaring and insurance dwindling, nobody can now say with a straight face that the U.S. health care system is O.K. And if surveys like the New York Times/CBS News poll released last weekend are any indication, voters are ready for major change.

The question now is whether we will nonetheless fail to get that change, because a handful of Democratic senators are still determined to party like it’s 1993.

And yes, I mean Democratic senators. The Republicans, with a few possible exceptions, have decided to do all they can to make the Obama administration a failure. Their role in the health care debate is purely that of spoilers who keep shouting the old slogans — Government-run health care! Socialism! Europe! — hoping that someone still cares.

The polls suggest that hardly anyone does. Voters, it seems, strongly favor a universal guarantee of coverage, and they mostly accept the idea that higher taxes may be needed to achieve that guarantee. What’s more, they overwhelmingly favor precisely the feature of Democratic plans that Republicans denounce most fiercely as “socialized medicine” — the creation of a public health insurance option that competes with private insurers.

Or to put it another way, in effect voters support the health care plan jointly released by three House committees last week, which relies on a combination of subsidies and regulation to achieve universal coverage, and introduces a public plan to compete with insurers and hold down costs.

Yet it remains all too possible that health care reform will fail, as it has so many times before.

I’m not that worried about the issue of costs. Yes, the Congressional Budget Office’s preliminary cost estimates for Senate plans were higher than expected, and caused considerable consternation last week. But the fundamental fact is that we can afford universal health insurance — even those high estimates were less than the $1.8 trillion cost of the Bush tax cuts. Furthermore, Democratic leaders know that they have to pass a health care bill for the sake of their own survival. One way or another, the numbers will be brought in line.

The real risk is that health care reform will be undermined by “centrist” Democratic senators who either prevent the passage of a bill or insist on watering down key elements of reform. I use scare quotes around “centrist,” by the way, because if the center means the position held by most Americans, the self-proclaimed centrists are in fact way out in right field.

What the balking Democrats seem most determined to do is to kill the public option, either by eliminating it or by carrying out a bait-and-switch, replacing a true public option with something meaningless. For the record, neither regional health cooperatives nor state-level public plans, both of which have been proposed as alternatives, would have the financial stability and bargaining power needed to bring down health care costs.

Whatever may be motivating these Democrats, they don’t seem able to explain their reasons in public.

Thus Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska initially declared that the public option — which, remember, has overwhelming popular support — was a “deal-breaker.” Why? Because he didn’t think private insurers could compete: “At the end of the day, the public plan wins the day.” Um, isn’t the purpose of health care reform to protect American citizens, not insurance companies?


Mr. Nelson softened his stand after reform advocates began a public campaign targeting him for his position on the public option.

And Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota offers a perfectly circular argument: we can’t have the public option, because if we do, health care reform won’t get the votes of senators like him. “In a 60-vote environment,” he says (implicitly rejecting the idea, embraced by President Obama, of bypassing the filibuster if necessary), “you’ve got to attract some Republicans as well as holding virtually all the Democrats together, and that, I don’t believe, is possible with a pure public option.”

Honestly, I don’t know what these Democrats are trying to achieve. Yes, some of the balking senators receive large campaign contributions from the medical-industrial complex — but who in politics doesn’t? If I had to guess, I’d say that what’s really going on is that relatively conservative Democrats still cling to the old dream of becoming kingmakers, of recreating the bipartisan center that used to run America.

But this fantasy can’t be allowed to stand in the way of giving America the health care reform it needs.
This time, the alleged center must not hold.
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Re: Health Care Showdown
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 10:10:21 AM »
The Republican line that "you don't want your government standing between you and your doctor", just doesn't resonate. The point is we have had the insurance industry standing between us and our doctors since 1993, and it hasn't been a pleasant experience. After the insurance industry killed health reform in 1993, we got their vision of the ideal system: HMOs, PPOs, high deductibles, limited choice of doctors, hospitals, and services, ever increasing premiums and low quality. The insurance industry has done nothing to earn the trust of the American people. As you said in your previous column: #1 Don't trust the insurance companies #2 Don't trust the insurance companies.
Marguerite P. Cohen, MD. Portland OR, OB/GYN for 24 years

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Re: Health Care Showdown
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 10:24:27 AM »
The Republican line that "you don't want your government standing between you and your doctor", just doesn't resonate. The point is we have had the insurance industry standing between us and our doctors since 1993, and it hasn't been a pleasant experience. After the insurance industry killed health reform in 1993, we got their vision of the ideal system: HMOs, PPOs, high deductibles, limited choice of doctors, hospitals, and services, ever increasing premiums and low quality. The insurance industry has done nothing to earn the trust of the American people. As you said in your previous column: #1 Don't trust the insurance companies #2 Don't trust the insurance companies.
Marguerite P. Cohen, MD. Portland OR, OB/GYN for 24 years

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Its quite simple you moron - Obama already busted out his load on:

700 Billion on the Stimulus (Not Working)
35 Billion on GM - Disaster
200 Billion - AIG Bailouts
TALF - God knows how much
Chrysler - 16 Billion
Budget - BORROWS MORE THAN ALL PRESIDENTS COMBINED! 

The former coke head Obama has no way to pay for this crap sandwich which only covers 2/3 of the "uninsured" .

He also fails to explain that a 1/3 are illegal immigrants.   

 

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Re: Health Care Showdown
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 10:30:56 AM »
Funny...Barry really isn't getting anything done is he?
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Re: Health Care Showdown
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2009, 10:47:41 AM »
This must be what poor Paul is talking about. The NYT is in freak out mode. Barry might be the utter failure they secretly thought he was.


NYT/CBS Stock Pro-Obamacare Poll With Obama Voters
By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
June 21, 2009 - 13:22 ET 

Realizing that Barack Obama's healthcare initiative has hit some roadblocks in Congress, the good folks at CBS News and the New York Times figured they'd help it along by creating a new poll on the subject that WAY oversampled people who voted for Obama.

Although the then junior senator from Illinois received 53 percent of the votes last November, NYT/CBS surveyed almost twice as many Obama voters as McCain voters.

Before we get to the hilarious inner-workings of this truly disgraceful deception, here's how the Times reported its rigged findings Saturday (h/t Gateway Pundit via NBer slickwillie2001):

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Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The poll found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector.

Actually, as Bruce Kesler cleverly discovered, what the poll really found was that most Obama voters support substantial changes to healthcare and are willing to pay higher taxes for a government run system:

[A]ccording to the actual poll data, of the 73% of respondents who said they voted in 2008 only 34% voted for McCain and 66% for Obama.

As can be plainly seen on page 7 of the poll's data, only 73 percent of respondents divulged who they voted for last November. 48 percent said Obama, 25 percent McCain.

What this means is this poll surveyed 66 percent Obama supporters versus 34 percent McCain.

As the final tally last year was 53 percent to 46 percent, this poll WAY oversampled Obama voters.

And you wonder why the survey found so much support for Obamacare?

Honestly, stuff like this should be illegal and any news organization found doing it should be significantly fined.

In any industry you could name, such deception of the public would meet with very serious consequences. 

Why are so-called news outlets allowed to get away with such obvious deceit with total impunity?

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Re: Health Care Showdown
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 10:53:07 AM »
Simple math will eventually win out over "Hope & Change"

This health mess is a perfect example.

Had Zero not spent trillions already, maybe he could have this too.