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Sotomayor Ruled That States Do Not Have to Obey Second Amendment
Thursday, May 28, 2009
By Matt Cover


President Barack Obama looks on as his Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor speaks in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Tuesday May 26, 2009. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais )(CNSNews.com) – Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor ruled in January 2009 that states do not have to obey the Second Amendment’s commandment that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

In Maloney v. Cuomo, Sotomayor signed an opinion of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit that said the Second Amendment does not protect individuals from having their right to keep and bear arms restricted by state governments.

The opinion said that the Second Amendment only restricted the federal government from infringing on an individual's right to keep and bear arms. As justification for this position, the opinion cited the 1886 Supreme Court case of Presser v. Illinois.

“It is settled law, however, that the Second Amendment applies only to limitations the federal government seeks to impose on this right,” said the opinion. Quoting Presser, the court said, “it is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the national government, and not upon that of the state.”
 
The Maloney v. Cuomo case involved James Maloney, who had been arrested for possessing a pair of nunchuks. New York law prohibits the possession of nunchuks, even though they are often used in martial arts training and demonstrations.
 
The meaning of the Second Amendment has rarely been addressed by the Supreme Court. But in the 2008 case of Heller v. District of Columbia, the high court said that the right to keep and bear arms was a natural right of all Americans and that the Second Amendment guaranteed that right to everyone.

The Second Amendment, the Supreme Court ruled, “guarantee(s) the right of the individual to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it ‘shall not be infringed.’”
 
“There seems to us no doubt,” the Supreme Court said, “that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms.”
 
Sotomayor, however, said that even though the Heller decision held that the right to keep and bear arms was a natural right--and therefore could not be justly denied to a law-abiding citizen by any government, federal, state or local--the Second Circuit was still bound by the 1886 case, because Heller only dealt indirectly with the issue before her court.
 
“And to the extent that Heller might be read to question the continuing validity of this principle, we must follow Presser because where, as here, a Supreme Court precedent has direct application in a case, yet appears to rest on reasons rejected in some other line of decisions, the Court of Appeals should follow the case which [it] directly controls.”

In its 2008 case, the Supreme Court’s took a different view of its own 1886 case, saying that Presser had no bearing on anything beyond a state’s ability to outlaw private militia groups.
 
“Presser said nothing about the Second Amendment’s meaning or scope, beyond the fact that it does not prevent the prohibition of private paramilitary organizations,” the court ruled. “This does not refute the individual-rights interpretation of the Amendment.”

The Second Amendment is the only part of the Bill of Rights that the Supreme Court has not specifically extended to the states through a process known as incorporation, which involves interpreting the Fourteenth Amendment to read that no state can deprive its citizens of federally guaranteed rights.

The Fourteenth Amendment reads, in part: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States … nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Sotomayor’s decision rejected the Fourteenth Amendment’s incorporation doctrine as far as Second Amendment was concerned, saying any legislation that could provide a “conceivable” reason would be upheld by her court.

“We will uphold legislation if we can identify some reasonably conceived state of facts that could provide a rational basis for the legislative action. Legislative acts that do not interfere with fundamental rights … carry with them a strong presumption of constitutionality,” the appeals court concluded. “The Fourteenth Amendment,” she wrote, “provides no relief.”
 
Sotomayor’s ruling ran to the left of even the reliably liberal San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which ruled in the April 2009 case Nordyke v. King that the Second Amendment did, in fact, apply to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment, heavily citing the Supreme Court in Heller.
 
“We therefore conclude that the right to keep and bear arms is deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition,” said the Ninth Circuit court of Appeals. “We are therefore persuaded that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment and applies it against the states and local governments.”
 
Gun Week Senior Editor Dave Workman told CNSNews.com that the Nordyke and Maloney decisions are at odds and the Supreme Court, possibly with a Justice Sotomayor, may soon sort them out.
 
“Whenever you have a conflict like this, you’re likely to have it end up before the Supreme Court so they can decide the issue. If the Second Amendment is incorporated into the states, it’s going to jeopardize thousands of local gun laws, and the people who supported those gun laws are just freaked about that.”

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Re: Sotomayor Ruled That States Do Not Have to Obey Second Amendment
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 07:25:35 AM »
Sotomayor’s ruling ran to the left of even the reliably liberal San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which ruled in the April 2009 case Nordyke v. King that the Second Amendment did, in fact, apply to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment, heavily citing the Supreme Court in Heller.
 


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Re: Sotomayor Ruled That States Do Not Have to Obey Second Amendment
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 08:39:52 AM »
Sotomayor’s ruling ran to the left of even the reliably liberal San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which ruled in the April 2009 case Nordyke v. King that the Second Amendment did, in fact, apply to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment, heavily citing the Supreme Court in Heller.
 


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Well,she and the Mesiah are both MUCH smarter then the founding fathers.She should be able to re-write the constitution to fit into HIS agenda.

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Re: Sotomayor Ruled That States Do Not Have to Obey Second Amendment
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 12:08:12 PM »
HEY LOCO...

I hope you are reading this...You asked if I had an issue with Hispanics and I said YES, if they become the TYRANNTS like Albert Gonzalez...WELL HERE YA GO...Another HISPANIC I DESPIES...not in office 10 minutes and already upsetting the apple cart...telling states not to obey the second ammendment...WHAT'S NEXT...DISOBEY THE FIRST AMMENDMENET ALSO???
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Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 06:09:23 PM »
Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional


Sotomayor is a graduate from Princeton University, where her legal theses included Race in the American Classroom, and Undying Injustice: American "Exceptionalism" and Permanent Bigotry, and Deadly Obsession: American Gun Culture. In this text, the student Sotomayor explained that the Second Amendment to the Constitution did not actually afford individual citizens the right to bear arms, but only duly conferred organizations, like the military. Instead of making guns illegal, she argues that they have been illegal for individuals to own since the passing of the Bill of Rights.

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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 08:10:20 PM »
Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional


Sotomayor is a graduate from Princeton University, where her legal theses included Race in the American Classroom, and Undying Injustice: American "Exceptionalism" and Permanent Bigotry, and Deadly Obsession: American Gun Culture. In this text, the student Sotomayor explained that the Second Amendment to the Constitution did not actually afford individual citizens the right to bear arms, but only duly conferred organizations, like the military. Instead of making guns illegal, she argues that they have been illegal for individuals to own since the passing of the Bill of Rights.

Source please.

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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 06:46:53 AM »
She better hope that this isn't true.

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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 06:50:35 AM »

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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2009, 06:52:30 AM »
Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional


Sotomayor is a graduate from Princeton University, where her legal theses included Race in the American Classroom, and Undying Injustice: American "Exceptionalism" and Permanent Bigotry, and Deadly Obsession: American Gun Culture. In this text, the student Sotomayor explained that the Second Amendment to the Constitution did not actually afford individual citizens the right to bear arms, but only duly conferred organizations, like the military. Instead of making guns illegal, she argues that they have been illegal for individuals to own since the passing of the Bill of Rights.

I wonder if she is referring to foreign policy.
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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2009, 07:37:14 AM »
Source please.

I already posted a thread about a ruling she made on the 2nd amendment.

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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 07:47:15 AM »


They let Puerto Ricans in the KKK? DAAAAMMMN! They must be hard up for members...
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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 07:50:02 AM »
This is important, as the majority of Americans believe the constitution grants the the right to own a firearm.
Add this to the growing list of objective grievances against Sotomayor.

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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 03:58:27 PM »
I already posted a thread about a ruling she made on the 2nd amendment.

I never saw it. What thread is it in?

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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2009, 04:15:46 PM »
She=very ugly.
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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2009, 04:34:34 PM »
I look at this as another move by Barry to get around being the blame for anything and everything. If another gun case comes up, and the court rules against the 2nd amendment, it won't be linked to him. The lib/con vote won't be swayed by her alone but if Barry gets another lib in there...more legislation from the Bench. The gun rights argument is almost dead, and the libs have lost.
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Re: Sotomayor: Right to Bear Arms Is Unconstitutional
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2009, 04:53:24 PM »
She=very ugly.
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and you can tell she's a bitch just by looking at her(reports confirm this)