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Attacks on troops increases 200% in the 10 days following the release of the Abu Ghirad pics.

Today, Obama smacked down the ACLU and said that 2000 pics showing torture WORSE than abu ghirab will NOT BE RELEASED.

Time for the neocrickets to agree with obama...again...

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Attacks on troops increases 200% in the 10 days following the release of the Abu Ghirad pics.

Today, Obama smacked down the ACLU and said that 2000 pics showing torture WORSE than abu ghirab will NOT BE RELEASED.

Time for the neocrickets to agree with obama...again...

I agree with this.  Obama woke up and realized that no good would come from releasing all these pictures.

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Ah...how has this got anything to do with the NEO's. This has to do with saving American lives. Barry saw that loosing troops on his watch and loosing the peace in Iraq was a bad thing. Further the ACLU are a bunch of shitbags...so good job for Barry listening to real people not the Pols.
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liz cheney went on FOX and incorrectly said obama was releasing them.

Foot in mouth.

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They were being released up until today. They had every intention of complying with the ACLU.
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He was planning on it or didnt msnbc cover that?

how about the 10 days after the pics of our soldiers coming home in caskets are shown?

How about the 10 days after the torture memos were released?

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Attacks on troops increases 200% in the 10 days following the release of the Abu Ghirad pics.

Today, Obama smacked down the ACLU and said that 2000 pics showing torture WORSE than abu ghirab will NOT BE RELEASED.

Time for the neocrickets to agree with obama...again...

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Obama reverses course on alleged prison abuse photos
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 04:17:31 PM »
Good decision.  Who cares about the ACLU? 

Obama reverses course on alleged prison abuse photos
     
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama said Wednesday that he told government lawyers to object to a court-ordered release of additional images showing alleged abuse of detainees because the release could affect the safety of U.S. troops and "inflame anti-American opinion."

The Defense Department was set to release hundreds of photographs showing alleged abuse of prisoners in detention facilities in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"I want to emphasize that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the images we remember from Abu Ghraib," the president said on the South Lawn of the White House. "But they do represent conduct that didn't conform with the Army manual."

Obama said the publication of the photos would not add any additional benefit to investigations being carried out into detainee abuse -- and could put future inquires at risk.

"In fact, the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would further flame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in greater danger. ... I fear the publication of these photos may only have a chilling effect on future investigations of detainee abuse," Obama said.  Watch the president discuss his detainee photo decision »

The release was ordered in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. It followed Obama's decision to release Bush-era CIA documents showing that the United States used techniques like waterboarding, considered torture by the current administration.

Earlier, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the president met with his legal team last week "because he did not feel comfortable with the release of the photos."

"The president reflected on this case and believes that they have the potential to pose harm to the troops. ... Nothing is added by the release of the photos," he added.

Amrit Singh, an attorney with the ACLU, said the president's decision "makes a mockery" of his promise of transparency and accountability.

"Essentially, by withholding these photographs from public view, the Obama administration is making itself complicit in the Bush administration's torture policies," Singh said. "The release of these photos is absolutely essential for ensuring that justice was done ... for ensuring that the public could hold its government accountable, and for ensuring that torture is not conducted in the future in the name of the American people."

Singh said his organization is prepared to "do whatever it takes" in order to have the photos released.

The announcement Wednesday is a reversal of what Gibbs said April 24, when he argued that the White House had no problem releasing the photos, based on the court decisions handed down.

"There was a lot of back and forth in his mind over the course of several weeks about ensuring that this protected those that keep us safe, that it protected our national security," Gibbs said then. "The president came to the determination that the decision that he made was consistent with all of those criteria."

The reversal of Obama's decision, Gibbs said, came because the president didn't believe that the government made the strongest case possible to the court and asked the legal team to make the case.

Gibbs added that the president wasn't pressured by the military to hold back on releasing the photos.

But Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that grave concerns coming from top military brass may have influenced the president's decision.

"What's motivated my own change of heart on this and perhaps influenced the president is that our commanders ... have expressed very serious reservations about this ... and that the release of these photographs will cost American lives," Gates said.

"That's all it took for me," he added.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, who sent a letter in March urging the president to hold off on releasing the photos, also weighed in on the president's decision.

The president "took to heart the idea it might do more harm than good," the South Carolina Republican said. "I don't know what the court will eventually do, but the troops need their commander in chief standing up for them, because the people that will be affected by the release of these photos have done no wrong."

ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said after Wednesday's news that the release of the photos -- no matter how painful -- is a "critical step toward that accounting. The American people deserve no less."

"It is true that these photos would be disturbing; the day we are no longer disturbed by such repugnant acts would be a sad one," he wrote.

Images released in 2004 of detainees being abused and humiliated at the Abu Ghraib military prison in Iraq sparked widespread outrage and led to convictions for several prison guards and the ouster of the prison's commander.

The Pentagon shut down the prison in the wake of the scandal, but it reopened under Iraqi control this year.

Officials at the Pentagon have said the photos, which were set to be released by May 28, are from more than 60 criminal investigations between 2001 and 2006 and show military personnel allegedly abusing detainees.

"The disclosure of these photographs serves as a further reminder that abuse of prisoners in U.S.-administered detention centers was systemic," ACLU National Security Project Director Jameel Jaffer said before Obama's decision.

But Pentagon officials reject ACLU allegations that the photos show a systemic pattern of abuse by the military.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman has said the Defense Department has "always been serious about investigating credible allegations of abuse."

More than 400 people, Whitman said, have been disciplined based on investigations involving detainee abuse. The discipline ranged from prison sentences to demotions and letters of reprimand.

The Pentagon wanted to prevent the images from being put into the public domain but decided to release them after losing two court cases, according to Whitman.

Andrew McCarthy, writing on the Web site of the National Review, issued a harsh warning Tuesday: "American soldiers, American civilians, and other innocent people are going to die because Pres. Barack Obama wants to release photographs of prisoner abuse."

"The photos at issue won't tell us anything significant about prisoner abuse, and they may very well serve to distort reality. What seems certain is that they will get Americans killed," he added. iReport.com: Should photos be released?

But groups such as Human Rights First have argued that releasing photographs of alleged abuse is vital.

The group, in a release on its Web site, says it has set up a nonpartisan inquiry to "evaluate the full cost of abuses, look at how we got there, and come up with safeguards so we don't repeat the same mistakes."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/12/prisoner.photos/index.html


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earth to tony - the casket pics were on a case-by-case basis - when the family wanted it.

all Obama did was honor the family's wishes.

I spose you know more than the families of war heroes now?

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earth to tony - the casket pics were on a case-by-case basis - when the family wanted it.

all Obama did was honor the family's wishes.

I spose you know more than the families of war heroes now?
LOL and the torture memos?

That doesnt really matter if it will harm the lives of other soldiers still in harms way does it? He as from what that retard gibbs said is afraid that they will result in harm to us soldiers...please explain how him okaying those pics of soldiers in caskets being unboarded dont?

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LOL and the torture memos?

That doesnt really matter if it will harm the lives of other soldiers still in harms way does it? He as from what that retard gibbs said is afraid that they will result in harm to us soldiers...please explain how him okaying those pics of soldiers in caskets being unboarded dont?

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I really don't see the point of releasing these. Nothing good can come of them. Obama made a smart move here.

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Barry had the added  value of history and seeing what the last release of pictures did. He is not about to loose Iraq over this.
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the lib blogs are livid.  all sorts of details coming out about the pics, they're not pretty.  Repub Sen Graham went on record in 2004 and admitted there was rape in the pics, and now the UK Telegraph has all sorts of details about the pics.

these pics are VERY BAD for our troops.  They motivate the enemy.  I know the left wing blogs want nothing more than to further embarass bush admin... and yeah, maybe some guards do deserve jail for raping people.  But stuff like this is dangerous for our men and women.  it's a no-win.

obama is 100% right not to release any pics.  I hope he stays firm on his decision and doesn't touch these.

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Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent and Paul Cruickshank
Last Updated: 8:21AM BST 28 May 2009

Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.
 
At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.

Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.

Detail of the content emerged from Major General Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted an inquiry into the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq.

Allegations of rape and abuse were included in his 2004 report but the fact there were photographs was never revealed. He has now confirmed their existence in an interview with the Daily Telegraph.

The graphic nature of some of the images may explain the US President’s attempts to block the release of an estimated 2,000 photographs from prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan despite an earlier promise to allow them to be published.

Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President’s decision, adding: “These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency.

“I am not sure what purpose their release would serve other than a legal one and the consequence would be to imperil our troops, the only protectors of our foreign policy, when we most need them, and British troops who are trying to build security in Afghanistan.

“The mere description of these pictures is horrendous enough, take my word for it.”

In April, Mr Obama’s administration said the photographs would be released and it would be “pointless to appeal” against a court judgment in favour of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

But after lobbying from senior military figures, Mr Obama changed his mind saying they could put the safety of troops at risk.

Earlier this month, he said: “The most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to inflame anti-American public opinion and to put our troops in greater danger.”

It was thought the images were similar to those leaked five years ago, which showed naked and bloody prisoners being intimidated by dogs, dragged around on a leash, piled into a human pyramid and hooded and attached to wires.

Mr Obama seemed to reinforce that view by adding: “I want to emphasise that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib.”

The latest photographs relate to 400 cases of alleged abuse between 2001 and 2005 in Abu Ghraib and six other prisons. Mr Obama said the individuals involved had been “identified, and appropriate actions” taken.

Maj Gen Taguba’s internal inquiry into the abuse at Abu Ghraib, included sworn statements by 13 detainees, which, he said in the report, he found “credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses.”

Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

The translator was an American Egyptian who is now the subject of a civil court case in the US.

Three detainees, including the alleged victim, refer to the use of a phosphorescent tube in the sexual abuse and another to the use of wire, while the victim also refers to part of a policeman’s “stick” all of which were apparently photographed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html
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liz cheney went on FOX and incorrectly said obama was releasing them.

Foot in mouth.

  She's a dyke.

  And even that seditionist Neowhore Sean Hannity said that Obama did the right thing. Surely the Bushites on this board are capable of as much.