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Re: Huckabee, John Stewart Debate Abortion
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 10:09:31 AM »
like most ppl who are pro choice john over looks many things...i like how they were able to calmly talk about the subject though that is something that is sorely lacking in the majority of debates on this subject

first off huck is right about the logical implications of abortion that can be extended to other aspects of life in his example the elderly. when ppl have abortions for such reasons you leave the door open for infantcide and justifiable homocide.

second the whole personal soveriegnty idea is a good idea but slightly misused this would apply in cases of rape in which the female had no say in the concieving of the child. However in cases of consentual sex both parties assumed the .01% responsibility of conception assuming they were using contraception and by that she forfeits her soveriegnty b/c choices no longer affect her body alone they affect the babies as well. The IGNORANT IDEA that if its murder you have to charge the MALE AND FEMALE with murder is just assinine i see the case for the mother but by LAW THE FATHER HAS NO SAY so how could he be an accomplice if he was against it if he was for it and helped contribute then fine.

I wish they would have addressed the fathers lack of say and unfair practice of forcing the father to be there and letting the mother walk away.

all in all a good discussion, I think it boils down to like huck said and ive been saying it boils down to when life begins...if it is deemed life then abortions after that point with a few exceptions should not be allowed.



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Re: Huckabee, John Stewart Debate Abortion
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 10:26:51 AM »

The IGNORANT IDEA that if its murder you have to charge the MALE AND FEMALE with murder is just assinine i see the case for the mother but by LAW THE FATHER HAS NO SAY so how could he be an accomplice if he was against it if he was for it and helped contribute then fine.

Do you believe the mother should be charged with murder if she is "killing a baby" by choosing to have an abortion? And if the father supports the mother's decision not to carry the fetus to term, should he not be charged as an accomplice?
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Re: Huckabee, John Stewart Debate Abortion
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 10:52:04 AM »
Do you believe the mother should be charged with murder if she is "killing a baby" by choosing to have an abortion? And if the father supports the mother's decision not to carry the fetus to term, should he not be charged as an accomplice?
the problem is we havent determined when life begins, so first lets define that...

if it is deemed that the fetus is indeed alive then how would it not be murder?

to answer your question though if (and thats a big if since we dont have a point in time that says this fetus is alive) the fetus is deemed to be alive and the mother has an abortion for reasons other then the mothers health or perhaps the babies health yes it would be murder in order to charge the father he must be an accomplice not simply supportive of her decision. To me is sounded like john was saying simply b/c the man was the father of that child he was an accomplice which is stupid. You forget that the father has no say in whether the woman gets an abortion or not so no simply supporting HER CHOICE does not make him an accomplice, now if he physically helps drives her to the clinic etc...then i could possibly see grounds for it but again in the end the decision is the WOMANS and hers alone which in itself is ridiculous.

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Re: Huckabee, John Stewart Debate Abortion
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 11:27:39 AM »
Mike Huckabee and Jon debate a woman's control over her body versus the life of a child in this complete, unedited interview.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=231388&title=mike-huckabee-extended

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=231389&title=mike-huckabee-extended

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=231390&title=mike-huckabee-extended

That was calmly and rationally debated...but I think there is some what of a lack of credibility to it when you have a discussion about abortion between two middle aged men...I honestly, honestly dont think it's a man's job to intefere in this debate, we dont make the decisions, we dont have to go through the procedures, I dont think any of us will ever understand how hard it is, thus we should keep out and let it be decided by the people that are actually most affected by it

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Re: Huckabee, John Stewart Debate Abortion
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 11:50:55 AM »
That was calmly and rationally debated...but I think there is some what of a lack of credibility to it when you have a discussion about abortion between two middle aged men...I honestly, honestly dont think it's a man's job to intefere in this debate, we dont make the decisions, we dont have to go through the procedures, I dont think any of us will ever understand how hard it is, thus we should keep out and let it be decided by the people that are actually most affected by it
with that logic women shouldnt have a say either as they will never know what it is like from the males perspective to have a child who they want and have no say in whether the woman can have an abortion or not

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having a child you dont want and having to pay for that child for 18 yrs...

horrible logic.

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Re: Huckabee, John Stewart Debate Abortion
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2009, 11:56:57 AM »
That was calmly and rationally debated...but I think there is some what of a lack of credibility to it when you have a discussion about abortion between two middle aged men...I honestly, honestly dont think it's a man's job to intefere in this debate, we dont make the decisions, we dont have to go through the procedures, I dont think any of us will ever understand how hard it is, thus we should keep out and let it be decided by the people that are actually most affected by it
it was also their body and their decision to have consentual sex with the knowledge that it might lead to the conception of a baby.

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Re: Huckabee, John Stewart Debate Abortion
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2009, 08:39:52 PM »
That was calmly and rationally debated...but I think there is some what of a lack of credibility to it when you have a discussion about abortion between two middle aged men...I honestly, honestly dont think it's a man's job to intefere in this debate, we dont make the decisions, we dont have to go through the procedures, I dont think any of us will ever understand how hard it is, thus we should keep out and let it be decided by the people that are actually most affected by it
Completely agree, which is in part why this will never be a critical political issue for me. I believe John Stewart would agree with you as well.
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