CBS Confirms ObamaCare Would Oust People from Health Insurance and Doctor

[Soul Crusher]

You have no clue if the private companies can compete or not.  You also have no clue whether the govt program will operate in the red or not.

Who are the doctors that are involved in the govt. programs now?  Are they going broke?

Right now the private companies make money by finding way to deny YOU care.  

That will change

Give me a damn break.  Come on Straw, even you dont believe that.

Yes, many docs are leaving practice or going into specialities  that pay better then GP.  

Why the heck should anyone go to medical school and incur such debt and then be forced into this crap sandwhich by politicians?

Dont you see how adding 46 million people with no corresponding increase with medical providers is going to flood the system and result in rationing and waits and reduced care?  

[Soul Crusher]

I did

seems stupid huh?

who do we have to thank for that?

The govt. 

[shootfighter1]

This is where the gov can help...allow full unrestricted competition among insurance companies to force the best services at competitive pricing.  The gov could make some simple rules to protect consumers and ensure pure competition among insurance companies to reduce the cost.  The gov could also not allow certain rules insurance companies impose (like excluded conditions, denial of coverage/claims, long waiting periods).  Then the gov could pass tort reform, penalyze lawyers who bring frivelous suits, and possibly come up with a more standardized reimbursement schedule that applies to all insurance companies.

[tonymctones]

You have no clue if the private companies can compete or not.  You also have no clue whether the govt program will operate in the red or not.

Who are the doctors that are involved in the govt. programs now?  Are they going broke?

Right now the private companies make money by finding way to deny YOU care.  

That will change

LOL what govt programs run in the black? does the govt run in the black?

what makes you think the govt wont do the same thing when they are the only business in town?

[BM OUT]

LOL what govt programs run in the black? does the govt run in the black?

what makes you think the govt wont do the same thing when they are the only business in town?

There is NOT ONE government program that has ever made money or even broken even.NOT ONE,NOT EVER.Yet some ,stick their heads in the sand and say "this one can work".EVERYTHING the government touches gets destroyed.They have done nothing but fail at everything,yet we want to give them controll of more and more.Its incredible.

[tonymctones]

This is where the gov can help...allow full unrestricted competition among insurance companies to force the best services at competitive pricing.  The gov could make some simple rules to protect consumers and ensure pure competition among insurance companies to reduce the cost.  The gov could also not allow certain rules insurance companies impose (like excluded conditions, denial of coverage/claims, long waiting periods).  Then the gov could pass tort reform, penalyze lawyers who bring frivelous suits, and possibly come up with a more standardized reimbursement schedule that applies to all insurance companies.

i agree with this pass reform that keeps them from not treating pre existing conditions, certain conditions etc...and reforms punishing frivalous law suits etc...

[shootfighter1]

See, there are many things gov can step in and help with before even considering a nationalized system.  This is why we need real public debate...not just a bunch of politicians deciding what is best, and the president on a crusade for nationalize healthcare without looking at all other options.  And this ABC infomercial tonight on healthcare is unacceptible without presenting other points of view and options.

[Straw Man]

LOL what govt programs run in the black? does the govt run in the black?

what makes you think the govt wont do the same thing when they are the only business in town?

Can you think back to 1999

we had a budget surplus and the govt was actually buying back our 30 year bonds.

Dems and Repubs were arguing over what to do with the surplus

[tonymctones]

Can you think back to 1999

we had a budget surplus and the govt was actually buying back our 30 year bonds.

Dems and Repubs were arguing over what to do with the surplus

your exception to the rule proves my point, i never said that the govt has never run in the black...what govt programs run in the black?

why do you always refuse to address the full comment?

[Straw Man]

your exception to the rule proves my point, i never said that the govt has never run in the black...what govt programs run in the black?

why do you always refuse to address the full comment?

dude - I can't respond to everything you say.  I have other shit to do during the day.

I'm not an expert on government programs or budgets but I have to assume that if the overall govt has a surplus this is after any deficits in individual programs.

if you have some specific info to the contrary feel free to post it

[tonymctones]

dude - I can't respond to everything you say.  I have other shit to do during the day.

I'm not an expert on government programs or budgets but I have to assume that if the overall govt has a surplus this is after any deficits in individual programs.

if you have some specific info to the contrary feel free to post it

LOL again your exception to the rule proves my point, you cant point to one instance and go hah see your wrong...when in fact your are proving im right.

All the surplus means is that the government taxed more then it spent, that doesnt mean that programs were in the black. The government itself was in the black in that instance if it was like that all the time would we have the massive debt that we have? again your exception to the rule proves my point...

You still havent answer how a company that MUST turn a profit can compete with a company that can operate in the read? you know the answer straw they cant...unless you can garuntee that the government health care will turn a profit comparable to the obtainable profit of a private company the private companies will go out of BUSINESSSSS........Seein g as there is no garuntee that ANY government entity has to create a profit to survive and that the vast majority of government programs operate in the red what do you think is going to happen?

Straw i understood at 1 or 2 months giving obama some time, time is up and there is no need to RUSH into another spending fiasco especially when we dont need it right now and other options have not been discussed nor has the problems with the proposed plan...